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125 entries found in trilema for 'urbit' :

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, specifically re urbit, it is very much mit media lab vintage. what blowhard internet media empire antics he indulged before are imo unrelated (and also quite irrelevant)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:37:37 asciilifeform: lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was.
asciilifeform: lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was.
ossabot: 121 results for "urbit" in #trilema
asciilifeform: !o s urbit
asciilifeform: yarvin wins a kind of triple crown of rot -- not only perpetrated the urbit thing, but to get the necessary 'letter from hitler', did a kind of soft-recantation of his earlier 'rezistenta prin cultura' blogisms
asciilifeform: or take 'Permanence also includes security. Except for the on-chain PKI, in which case you're trusting Ethereum, you shouldn't yet trust Urbit's security at all. Sorry!'
asciilifeform: 'Urbit does not use the lambda calculus, an environment or symbol table, or linking. Because it pushes name resolution out of the fundamental interpreter and up into the language, it can play many more namespace juggling tricks. And its build system has no trouble including multiple versions of the same library.' << didjaknow this were a feature?!
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 00:30 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:18 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i like the new v format, but i also very strongly wish to avoid coming to resemble the urbit people, with their 'aah we restarted the universe for the 7th time'
asciilifeform: apparently i was still subscribed to... urbit ml. where today we learn that : 'The tooling around the PKI transition to Ethereum is coming along nicely. Contracts are pretty much frozen. It’s all UI and key generation now.'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i like the new v format, but i also very strongly wish to avoid coming to resemble the urbit people, with their 'aah we restarted the universe for the 7th time'
a111: 280 results for "urbit", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=urbit
asciilifeform: !#s urbit
kristof: Oh, actually, while I have your attention, I thought I would mention that I did check out Urbit twice; the first was a few years ago back when they were still "ship", the second was maybe a year ago and that time I actually chatted a bit with those folks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796220 << that's because... it IS salad. with a perfume of 'proofiness' sprayed on , as described in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 re urbitists
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every single, without exception, cave of urbit/suckmore/etc 'neets' that's been dug up so far, smells ~exactly the same to me . and imho neither surprising nor really avoidable, this is rather like those squirrels that live in american cities, that eat garbage, who is surprised that they all have scurvy in same way
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it strikes me how strictly identical to early urbit this thing is. same sort of socialist revolution aggitated "building the future" can barely contain selves on chair sorta vibe.
mircea_popescu: caaddr there's this occasional scam on the internet, most recently "urbit".
asciilifeform: most recently bastardized by the urbit folx
mircea_popescu: from a link of yours to the urbit guy, quoting some w/e the fuck other dork like him.
ben_vulpes: (it's an urbit, and presumably others crackpottery)
asciilifeform: the constant and entirely unnecessary reset of history is imho urbit-like and a Bad Thing. e.g. polarbeard ain't coming back to regrind his patches, nor is punkman
zod_: i mean https://moronlab.blogspot.ca/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532
zod_: just reading https://moronlab.blogspot.ca/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html
asciilifeform: in other lulz, "GET /faq HTTP/1.1" 200 8124 "http://milrev-rannub.urbit.org/~~/talk/"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-21 14:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://urbit.org/blog/2017.9-eth ( cocksucker serves empty page to archive.is, and so http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k9AVu/?raw=true << plain txt ) urbit drops pretense of independent existence, merges with... ethertardium
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://urbit.org/blog/2017.9-eth ( cocksucker serves empty page to archive.is, and so http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k9AVu/?raw=true << plain txt ) urbit drops pretense of independent existence, merges with... ethertardium
mircea_popescu: you know, what urbit aspired to be. STARSHEEPS!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:24 fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu
shinohai: huur durbit dippy do
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:17 sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707389 << aaahahaha urbit has employees now ?
fyr: My "urbit-turd" is ultimately on a test-net, and doesn't have live keys
shinohai: Thank you, hurr-duurbit, come again!
trinque: there's no urbit-turd you'd also have to keep holding onto?
fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu
sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^
erlehmann: one of the few things about urbit i like is that the system tries to not allow users to input statements not syntactically valid.
erlehmann: my “those people are almost certainly charlatans” moment with urbit was when their software barfed on a character being more than one byte, despite claiming unicode support.
asciilifeform: the urbit thing was a cartoon-coloured extreme illustration of this.
erlehmann: i often have the problem that i describe a position and then people think i support it. i stopped describing moldbug's ramblings because of that, though i find urbit in particular a quite good idiot test.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:15 asciilifeform: my least nonsensical hypothesis is that thiel funded urbit (yes) to make a half-hearted play at 'embrace&extinguish'ing bitcoin
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:12 erlehmann: on the other hand, i successfully used “see, this guy sold his dukedom in 2013” as argument to convince someone that urbit is of no use
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665069 << actually, the evaluation of the urbit thing that resulted in that decision happened mostly in this very log.
erlehmann: regarding urbit and hints: https://github.com/urbit/arvo/blob/master/sys/hoon.hoon#L25
erlehmann: asciilifeform how should urbit ever affect bitcoin?
asciilifeform: my least nonsensical hypothesis is that thiel funded urbit (yes) to make a half-hearted play at 'embrace&extinguish'ing bitcoin
erlehmann: my worst urbit moment: after i read some hoon language code i started to understand it. immediately decided to no longer look at the stuff.
erlehmann: on the other hand, i successfully used “see, this guy sold his dukedom in 2013” as argument to convince someone that urbit is of no use
erlehmann: especially since i had followed the urbit story at that time
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy , erlehmann is not the first to assume that asciilifeform bought something from urbit
erlehmann: asciilifeform how long did it take you to discover that urbit was built on sand? less than a year probably, going from the date on the blog post.
erlehmann: https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/14
asciilifeform: ( mr. mold advocated for 'patchwork states', which were -- best as anyone could tell -- a miraculous resurrection of 16th c. italian provinces, somehow balanced in mutual non-nukeability . but in 'urbit' he implemented a reich, with central control and total dependence on the 'palace' )
erlehmann: i agree with your assessment of urbit btw
asciilifeform: erlehmann: funny also that you mention urbit: see thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524741
erlehmann: often not, yes. to understand why URbit is designed in such an idiosyncratic way, i always suggest to read unqualified reservations first.
erlehmann: urbit at one point broke down crying if you fed it U+1F46C GAY MEN 👬
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 22:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
asciilifeform: so asciilifeform's sold for 4.5 btc. today urbit wants 500 usd worth of btc for ~star~.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
asciilifeform: https://sale.urbit.org/#legal-risk << lulzy, from same
asciilifeform: in other idiocies, https://sale.urbit.org is selling address space, this time Officially, and for btc. ( what good scamola ain't sold for btc ) . ( link won't display unless you enter code. 8112.7bd0.7ae6.6f17.b65d.3cb5 should work . )
jpt4: I recall his video poker challenge to Urbit some years ago.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 22:23 ben_vulpes: dang, urbit went straight to the browser
mircea_popescu: this great dilemma must be integrated, thought the hipster doofus, and so urbit or whatever. start-up culture.
mircea_popescu: "In future, it would be great if I could just accept any old patch, from any urbit down to the merest comet, as long as it was sealed by ~zod. In general, I would find it comfortable, knowing that everything my urbit was running was a collection of patches, each of which had a signature, or a chain of them, originating in the urbit claiming authorship of that patch." << wtf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol wait wut, urbit bolting v to the side ?
ben_vulpes: dang, urbit went straight to the browser
asciilifeform: 'Galen Wolfe-Pauly is Tlon's CEO and Urbit's interaction designer. Galen went to architecture school. He talks like it'
asciilifeform: 'With the infrastructure converging, we can finally think seriously about the user experience of Urbit. What we're imagining is a small-scale social network and command-line API aggregator. It's just screenshots right now, but we're confident that we can build it and make it work. System software is boring (at least when done right). So let's start with the user experience.'
asciilifeform: ( from the man himself -- https://urbit.org/blog/2017.1-update/ . guess what, actual testable promise... )
asciilifeform: 'And cc-release is our first release really designed so that neither your ship, nor the whole network, can actually sink. The Urbit network had zero unplanned, and one planned, breach (network flag day) in 2H 2016. The last planned breach, the cc-release update, is planned for 1H 2017.'
ben_vulpes: fuckin hilarious, "urbit's aspirations", surely you mean yarvin et al's aspirations
ben_vulpes: lol, instructive to urbit's aspirations indeed
asciilifeform: 'There is a revision system out in the wild called v. It defines source code, or other data under version control, as a function of patches and their authorship, as sealed. Being a product of the Most Serene Republic, it is Spartan, manual, and instructive to Urbit's aspirations.'
asciilifeform: in other hilaribad, http://urbit.org/fora/posts/~2017.2.10..07.20.41..fdda~/
asciilifeform: urbit made no presense of decentralization tho
mircea_popescu: and note that we';re not the onyl ones aware. enemy has placed a strategic urbit right on this space.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform judging by the thing you linked btw, the "harmless radiator" function of urbit is out in full effect.
mircea_popescu: lol wait for urbit.
asciilifeform: lulzy comments, also, e.g., 'While I don’t think he’s a “white supremacist” as such “off-line” in his essays under the pseudonym Moldbug, the travails of Curtis Yarvin as a pure hacker are illuminating, to the point I’m pretty sure they’ve killed any chance his Urbit might have in the so called marketplace of ideas.'
asciilifeform: lel, urbit apparently dead enough that a new one is conjured up, https://blockstack.org/blog/funding-the-new-decentralized-internet
asciilifeform: 'urbit is down tonight' 'curtis We were trying to subscribe urbit-meta to fora notifications, something very reasonable that we should have done a long time ago, and ended up producing a "presence storm." We'll fix it a little more carefully and methodically tomorrow -- or try, at least. :-) In the meantime, I've turned off all our major stars.'
mircea_popescu: together with the bitcoin and the urbit dispute respectively, this puts him 0 for 3.
mircea_popescu: you mean generally or here ? iirc urbit was eagerly followed for 3-4 weeks here, until it became obvious the author is technically inept and the following he has entirely disinterested in doing any useful work.
asciilifeform: (e.g., urbit!)
asciilifeform: 'Urbit is a total scamcoin. It's 100% premined TLDR: yeah. But at least it's not the DAO.'
asciilifeform: ( apparently mr mold was ordered by handlers to counter-attack, http://urbit.org/posts/objections )
asciilifeform: http://blog.jim.com/crypto/against-urbit/#comment-1241097 << handful of folx - get it.
asciilifeform: http://blog.jim.com/crypto/against-urbit << poor heathens dance around the elephant
mircea_popescu: lol urbit. still ?
ben_vulpes: mega promisetronics in urbit docs: informal conventions designed to motivate a healthy ownership structure "
a111: Logged on 2014-02-02 03:29 herbijudlestoids: has anyone come up with any useful use cases for urbit? all i could think of was a mutt clone lol
a111: 168 results for "urbit", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=urbit
asciilifeform: $s urbit
asciilifeform: 'CY, I've long admired your work, but pray answer me this: why on earth did you accept $millions in kleptocrat funding? How could this possibly serve the long-term interests of Urbit users? Now the same folks who ruined the Net - and virtually everything else that was ever good and bright - have a voting share! Or do I misunderstand? And if a strong USG were to take a dislike to Urbit, all the KYC clerks, bean-counters, and lawyers i
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/RL7DLpg1v9QJ << continued.
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/4B12WpF1rL0/hYF3YPuqvR8J << 'we dun want to make a bitcoin! usg will gas us'
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ << the sale itself.
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/utp3H7F78so/Dt24fpiT3xcJ << part of it
asciilifeform: 2 - http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << linked from same, pre-release thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, got a link to the original discussion re merits of urbit right before you sold your whatever it was, battlestarisland
phf: "Our records show that you are the owner of 2 Urbit planets."
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the 'i will pick high-level abstractions and then, much later, find a low-level set that supports them well' is doomed. and leads to, e.g., urbit.
mircea_popescu: the only difference being that folks who abstract end up urbiting only if idiots, and choose to do so ; whereas folks who think program is a car and internet a truck end up with openssh and junk-o-rama no matter what they want, or do, or even understand.
asciilifeform: the folks who try to mathematicize away the physicalities, end up urbiting.
phf: "Urbit Is Building a 'Virtual Galaxy' for Bitcoin Nodes (coindesk.com)"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 01:08 phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
phf: from https://sale.urbit.org
phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://urbit.org/blog/dao << riot of lulz
asciilifeform: 'I'd like to ask specifically about Fare's criticism of large jets. Since it's highly unlikely that the Hoon implementation is bug-for-bug compatible with the native markdown parser, is including that parser in a jet an "unprincipled exception" to Urbit's vision of deterministic functional purity? An even better example is the possible future inclusion of a native JS or Lua interpreter... V8 in particular is a massive project that ro
asciilifeform: 'Urbit has a strict membership code. No pedos and no Nazis. And especially no pedonazis.'
asciilifeform: in urbit's case, usg (in its andreessen horowitz face) is paying to keep a dozen bois fed ('press the clown face for a food pellet') and housed (subsidies to silicon valley land racket.) so about 1/1000th of a google.
asciilifeform: 'Urbit has a very good profiler (language integration makes up for a lot of elbow grease), and our attempts to squeeze out performance are usually successful. In extremis, anything can be jetted and probably will.' << yarvin
mircea_popescu: wait, urbit has a core team ?
phf: also https://www.reddit.com/r/urbit/comments/4okcm6/were_the_core_urbit_team_ask_us_anything_about
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, still in the sense that the urbit thing chugs along
a111: Logged on 2015-08-04 21:35 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
a111: Logged on 2015-08-04 21:44 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was pre-urbit-release
asciilifeform: (urbit!)

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