jfw: |
well here's some definite "cleaning only before company visits" failure in my process. my object here has been a V that works on Gales or other "small" systems; however I did most of the testing on a gentoo. only after thinking all was well and signing a patch did it occur to me to test all the pieces on a Gales system. Pressing worked fine - because I'd had the quirks of busybox patch in mind - |
[03:31] |
jfw: |
but I'd also brought an awk-based vdiff into the picture, which is broken there because of a busybox diff quirk I'd forgotten (replacing the names of inexistent files with "/dev/null"). |
[03:31] |
jfw: |
now maybe this isn't a big enough problem to derail publishing - since previously there was no vdiff anyway on such a system; but that rather feels like propagating the "hygiene" problem. if a system can install code it should be able to edit it too ffs, or what are we making, iphones? |
[03:40] |
jfw: |
the awk-vdiff is certainly fixable but will be some work I hadn't planned on. |
[03:41] |
diana_coman: |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-26-Mar-2020#1023081 - trinque , do you realise we already have the *same* conversation in #trilema before? Here: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958690 ; *that is all there is* and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is. |
[06:14] |
ossabot: |
Logged on 2020-03-26 19:51:45 trinque: diana_coman: there's the patches, and whatever selection mechanism everyone bitches every time I don't have. |
[06:14] |
ossabot: |
(trilema) 2020-03-01 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i suspect billymg 's thing might not actually include http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132249 |
[06:14] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: ahaha; why don't you work on Gales anyway? |
[06:16] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: re derailing publication - your adventure there actually brought forward some *additional* part that you should write up and publish, namely those "quirks" of busybox and the like; as you noticed, you forgot some of them yourself so write them down in one place to have as reference already; esp if you want to make Gales useful, anyway. |
[06:22] |
diana_coman: |
so yes, sure, you don't have the v write up at the planned time; you still had though something to publish at that time: the summary of the adventure, with what came out of it; that is anyway the only thing that can ever be, after all - it's always exactly a summary of what you did and the fact that sometimes it happens to fit also previous plans and expectations does not make it something other than *what you did*. |
[06:25] |
diana_coman: |
dorion: what happened to you? |
[06:25] |
BingoBoingo: |
has first comment thread on new thing http://mvdstandard.net/2020/03/usg-indicts-venezualan-president-maduro-and-other-members-of-government-over-alleged-narco-terrorism-conspiracy/#comment-7 |
[12:07] |
diana_coman: |
congrats BingoBoingo ! |
[12:24] |
BingoBoingo: |
diana_coman: ty |
[12:27] |
jfw: |
diana_coman: ah, indeed - writing by focusing on the journey more than the destination. I'll get on that. |
[15:20] |
jfw: |
I've kept a gales and gentoo system side by side on the desk for a while now; what still keeps me defaulting to the gentoo is mainly X11. |
[15:22] |
jfw: |
just got tripped up by the time change, 5 days in even; will be back at actually-19:00 |
[15:25] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: oh huh, why x11? I mean: do you needed for the dev work you do? |
[16:23] |
diana_coman: |
need it* |
[16:23] |
feedbot: |
http://younghands.club/2020/03/27/rmd-week-21-review-mar-23rd-27th-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD week 21 review, Mar 23rd-27th, 2020 |
[16:24] |
jfw: |
diana_coman: it's not strictly needed, but I find pasting in particular to be a pain without it |
[16:25] |
diana_coman: |
why/how? |
[16:26] |
jfw: |
maybe my tools just suck? but using tmux or screen as "window manager", it just takes quite a few keystrokes to get a particular thing selected then pasted, compared to 2 mouse clicks |
[16:28] |
jfw: |
this is more noticeable with irc compared to editing code though, to be sure |
[16:30] |
dorion: |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Mar-2020#1023093 - I'm just about settled here and made progress on priorities. there was soem lingering emergency mode and I dropped my daily reviews. doing the weekly review helped me become aware of that. |
[16:30] |
ossabot: |
Logged on 2020-03-27 06:25:15 diana_coman: dorion: what happened to you? |
[16:30] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: possibly; but more to the point, a whole x11 for...copy/paste sounds certainly like overkill, no? |
[16:32] |
diana_coman: |
I have x11 ofc and all the bells and whistles for eulora client but otherwise (eg for server-side development) I never needed x11 |
[16:33] |
diana_coman: |
it's true it's 20 years since I last used irc without x11 but I don't recall that being a problem at the time either, lol. |
[16:34] |
jfw: |
perhaps it's a situation of "driving the car to pick up the mail from the street just because I can", hm. |
[16:35] |
jfw: |
did you need to paste links or search logs in a browser as much 20 years ago though? |
[16:36] |
diana_coman: |
dorion: at least the 2nd layer of review caught it then, not that bad; (and glad to hear it wasn't anything worse than what sounds like too-much-on-local-plate, anyway) |
[16:36] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: possibly not; though I still wonder how I managed to keep track of all the convos given the format, lolz. |
[16:37] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: anyways, I suppose you can easily find out if you *really* need the x11 - just ditch it for a month and see what solution you find instead, heh. |
[16:38] |
jfw: |
there was a period of this even, pre-Gales when I was building this gentoo as 'recipes' atop a stage3. It did make me more efficient with tmux pasting and some tricks to pipe snippets in/out of vim, but was still a relief once I had the gui back. Open to suggestions on better ways :) |
[16:40] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: isn't the switch kbd/mouse/kbd annoying in itself? (it tends to annoy me and I usually avoid it) |
[16:42] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: why exactly a relief? that would be where you start from to find a solution; better ways to select or what? |
[16:43] |
jfw: |
the switching doesn't annoy me much when it saves time otherwise I guess. Perhaps a higher level to look at is why the 'need' to paste quite so much; maybe it turns out that I'm just trying to accelerate typing 'http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/' or something and there's better ways for that |
[16:45] |
diana_coman: |
or that, indeed; I was just thinking that I actually don't do *that* much pasting and certainly not at dev time, hm. |
[16:46] |
jfw: |
I don't have a more specific answer for why exactly, than already mentioned; happy to give it another try and observe closer. |
[16:48] |
dorion: |
diana_coman the 2nd layer indeed paid off and I'm back on track now. there is a lot on local plate, but it's all good. |
[16:49] |
feedbot: |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Review of the Bitcoin Category on trilema.com |
[16:51] |
diana_coman: |
dorion, jfw there are quite a few of those articles listed in ^ that you'd benefit from (re-)reading but I especially recommend a read/re-read of http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/?b=full\%20solution&e=#select and http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/?b=basic\%20point&e=#select |
[16:58] |
diana_coman: |
I mean a read of the articles linked from there, not of my 1-sentence note on them, ofc. |
[16:59] |
jfw: |
thanks for the pointers diana_coman |
[17:02] |
dorion: |
thanks diana_coman, I'm looking forward to reading your review and the underlying texts. |
[17:04] |
diana_coman: |
np |
[17:06] |
diana_coman: |
shall be back tomorrow |
[17:13] |
jfw: |
trinque: deedbot's been out since ping timeout last night |
[17:26] |
trinque: |
jfw: sorry about that; the refactored bot is literally running on a laptop. |
[21:03] |
trinque: |
moving it to permanent home tomorrow. |
[21:04] |
trinque: |
http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Mar-2020#1023087 << wasn't aiming to rile anyone up. I wasn't clear on whether he'd done any additional work on the thing. |
[21:05] |
ossabot: |
Logged on 2020-03-27 06:14:37 diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-26-Mar-2020#1023081 - trinque , do you realise we already have the *same* conversation in #trilema before? Here: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958690 ; *that is all there is* and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is. |
[21:05] |