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diana_coman: shrysr: get your head out of your own arse already and look at yourself without pretense, for once, as that "analysis" is the weakest effort I've seen in ages; what half-baked effort you put in there is insulting to say the least and if you think - after all this time here - that I'm running here the sort of whishy-whashy that goes for "university" in the UK nowadays where you can pass "for the effort" while stoned and not giving a damn ab
diana_coman: about it, you're as blind as a newborn kitten.
diana_coman: shrysr: there's not just plain but exponential and accumulated stupidity in there that you haven't even faced or acknowledged, let alone curse in any earnest; and if that weakest of "barely mentioning it while running quickly to something else" passes for cursing in your books, gotta wonder what else you have no real idea about.
diana_coman: shrysr: here, take The Pageboy's Pledge - I don't care if you chant it, read it, eat it, print it and sleep with it, say it like a prayer every evening or whatever else you do with it but *start living* by it already or you'll never make it out of that hole you dug yourself into, you fool.
diana_coman: shrysr: yes, you are intelligent and smart enough to know what you should do even *before* I have no other choice than spell it out for you but you still cherish and worship your stupidity so much that you nevertheless won't do it, right?
diana_coman: shrysr: and don't you even dare to change or "update" that post! Let it stand there and go and write another one and if it's still not good, you'll write another one and another one and I don't care if it gets to 1000 or 1mn until you finally do it right - the pile will stand there as a monument to your worship of stupidity, as taller as it gets.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-17#1002831 - quite obvious, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 19:05:00 whaack_pura_vida: and seeing the results it's obvious that i'll have to find a place separate from pot smoking friends
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-17#1002836 - you know, guilt-tripping is emotional blackmail; do you really imagine that your blackmailers are your friends?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 20:53:24 whaack_pura_vida: and yes most friends just offer me weed because it is habit/common courtesy, but this friend was giving a guilt trip over it most likely because of "don't make me lonely and have to get high by myself" thoughts
diana_coman: lobbes: would you mind giving a spin to the updated irssi2tmsr script and let me know if/how it works now on your irssi logs? the .vpatch is here: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=irssi_format&e=#select
diana_coman: it should be the "standard" irssi log format (including months given by names) so hopefully it won't require any further fiddling
lobbes: diana_coman: sure thing. I'll let you know results
shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002843 << i dont think you are running anything whishy-whashy and fwiw I did give a damn back then too, stoned or not. I was no perfect student despite giving a damn obv. After my grad school exp - leeds was to me relatively heaven and I was fortunate to get even that whishy-whashy as you call it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 05:45:51 diana_coman: shrysr: get your head out of your own arse already and look at yourself without pretense, for once, as that "analysis" is the weakest effort I've seen in ages; what half-baked effort you put in there is insulting to say the least and if you think - after all this time here - that I'm running here the sort of whishy-whashy that goes for "university" in the UK nowadays where you can pass "for the effort" while sto
diana_coman: shrysr: perfection doesn't enter into it at all; perfection is an ideal - use it as a target, not as an expectation; and yes, I don't expect nor request perfection, there was *nothing* about perfection above.
diana_coman: shrysr: for the record, since that was heaven - is this here hell or what?
diana_coman: shrysr: note also that above you just deflected; you latched onto some bit that you could "contradict" and who cares whether the "contradiction" matters to the core of the issue or not.
shrysr: Re: hell or not - its different. Doesnt seem right to fit into a definition of heaven or hell. In terms of a 'University', env ,library, profs, consistent rules etc etc.... leeds was heaven relative to what I had seen and suffered through. There was so much I *did not* do then. When i said *perfect* - I meant that if i did give a damn then the results shd have atleast reflected the extent of the damn i did
shrysr: give.... but it did not properly reflect even the 'little damn' that I did give then. It was an oasis of squandered opportunity. I can blame heartbreak or the fact it was a monumental struggle to do even what I did manage to do... but I shd have done more. And no - i am still considering how to address the bits about pretense, or what you are viewing as pretense through the lense of what I've learned +
shrysr: shared here .. however, i did not want to 'not communicate' in the process and so I typed that first.
diana_coman: shrysr: ok, but preface it then as such and note that "didn't give a damn" is based precisely on what you *did* (or in that case didn't do, as you say it right above), not on what you *felt*
diana_coman: shrysr: how do you reason "it did not properly reflect even the little damn that I did give then" ?
diana_coman: shrysr!
shrysr: well many reasons. I did not socialise except for less than one handful of ppl... I didnt talk to some profs I really liked... and focused only on one, my aerodynamics and CFD prof. I avoided my thesis guide but latched on to an asst. prof who was also guiding us (a bunch of us working on different aspects of the same 'topic/project'). because i was not the top of my class in terms of scores...and I was
shrysr: determined to be before it all started. I fucked through the whole year and got a PhD offer in a subject that i loved but *still had failed*. I did not strategise to get the marks I wanted... i just studied the subjects. I was stoned even while going to the prof to understand why I had failed.... to realise that actually - i had scored fine... even the highest in some theory based questions, but having
shrysr: been penalised for submitting my assignments late (again a relatively high score) - the weightage worked to a fail. I saw only the failure. The education was to make me a better person overall.... i came out barely not broken in sum. perhaps better in some respects. fwiw, i guess a lot of things did sink in and manifested later...being on time for meetings, caring about document quality... understanding
shrysr: that it is important to ack what is *not known*etc. For quite a while even after leeds.... I thought I wasnt good enough and thats why the girl left me or I was where I was. Though My rational analysis showed me that this was far from true, and it was supported with success at mines - I labored many years under the thought that I was just not ... good enough. If i was - I'd be ...somewhere else. I'd be
shrysr: happy. If i did give a damn... i wd have been able to forget the girl and focus on what mattered.
diana_coman: shrysr: hang on a minute, will you?
diana_coman: the point re uni was precisely that they *were too complacent to force out the best in you*; and all you say quite supports this; sure, it doesn't mean that they didn't teach you *anything*.
diana_coman: it means rather that they failed to support your smarts and kill your stupid
diana_coman: in the process messing up any chance of a sane evaluation scale too
diana_coman: and it's this last bit that is the worse really.
shrysr: brb 10m
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002864 - I don't think you quite understood this question. Another way to state it would be: how do you separate the "how much I care about it" from "this is what I did/didn't do" so that you can then claim that the action was somehow not an accurate reflection of how much you cared about it?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 12:29:02 diana_coman: shrysr: how do you reason "it did not properly reflect even the little damn that I did give then" ?
diana_coman: I should add I suppose that when I talk of UK "universities" I rely on a whole lot more than what you shared about your particular experience.
diana_coman: let's just say that I know how they work.
shrysr: Re: UK uni's and your knowledge. yea - I know for me it was only relative heaven, and only based on a poor reference anyway. I was just there for a year and my mind was mostly in turbulence. Re : prev Q - I cared about scoring the highest - but failed and still fail to fully accept that scoring marks (or getting 'a' job) has little to do with knowing the subject even in Leeds or any damn education system.
shrysr: I did not take the effort to go in depth into how I *could* score, and instead settled on an idealistic pursuit that I thought shd give me marks + actual development and did not take adequate care to balance it. I cared about connecting with some profs - but did not force myself to meet each one, because I gave in to the temptation of 'escaping with a hit'.. thinking -ok but I will meet em tom *for sure*
shrysr: and tom never happened. I set goals.. in terms of studying, and asking questions - which I studiously postponed most of the time, or when successful went too deep into a concept and lost track of time thereby postponing again since it was always fucking incomplete. I resolved each day to stick to a schedule... and almost never did. On the days I did succeed - i ended going back to the black depression that
shrysr: it wasnt enough, and not realising that all i had to do was stick to the schedule. I cared abt doing well and recognised I needed to talk to profs and people, but i did not. I did not reason enough with myself to convince myself that - I need to be able to leave the room or be able to talk to people without a hit. In essence, I was cognizant enough to identify something mattered and to think of steps
shrysr: towards it - but failed in following through with action consistently.
diana_coman: shrysr: there's a bit of a mix there and a lot of confusion.
diana_coman: shrysr: tell me this: do you honestly consider you did your very best to do what I asked for with http://s.ragavan.co/2019/09/analysis-of-failures-to-meet-deadlines/ ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002885 - because you were going at it on *one leg only*; in short, you knew what you needed to do but you didn't care to do it and both those things matter, you can't just cut one out and pretend that the other takes over both functions.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 13:46:03 shrysr: towards it - but failed in following through with action consistently.
diana_coman: ftr, the fact that you didn't care about gaming their grading system is a very SANE thing to do, despite what they'll (obviously) claim.
diana_coman: (not to mention that if you did, you'd be now in all likelihood slowly going nuts in some office)
diana_coman: the only part that you got wrong re not gaming the grading system is understanding fully what it means; but that's quite a lot to ask from your self at that time.
diana_coman: their grading system evaluates compliance more than knowledge; as such, good for you that you didn't care about it, sure; onth a bit silly then of you to be surprised that you had a very hard time being further allowed into their system as it were.
shrysr: Re analysis: I think it was... not complete. I think i covered all the instances of failing the deadline... and kindda stopped at that point. The assignment and analysis amounted to simple things..... i took my time to believe you could help me. I did not submit for a long time though there was evidence I could trust you. Its not that I discarded the evidence/advice since day 1, but I was hesitant to
shrysr: believe that there is nothing hidden here. I did not... push myself to examine and reach the point of submission and instead waited for it sink in and speak to me... which seems to the way i do things fwiw. However - all that changed on week 8... in fact the changes were there in stages even earlier when i quit pot. I found that I believed you... and was willing to submit at that point. my analysis was
shrysr: that - the problem *now* is simply that I need to include review + tasks Within the work...
diana_coman: basically you pissed on them from high up (and you could do it precisely because yes, you are in fact very intelligent from what I see) but then you decided to try and ...submit to them.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002894 - yes, exactly that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 14:13:55 shrysr: Re analysis: I think it was... not complete. I think i covered all the instances of failing the deadline... and kindda stopped at that point. The assignment and analysis amounted to simple things..... i took my time to believe you could help me. I did not submit for a long time though there was evidence I could trust you. Its not that I discarded the evidence/advice since day 1, but I was hesitant to
diana_coman: you covered with the analysis the easy bits (all instances of failing the deadline) but you went only extremely superficially (if at all) with the analysis of yourself; and almost ignored entirely the part re cursing stupidity; did you take it for nonsense/"just a way of saying" or what?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002854 << finished initial testing. See here teh results: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zggw
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-18 12:40:07 diana_coman: it should be the "standard" irssi log format (including months given by names) so hopefully it won't require any further fiddling
lobbes: In other words, I suspect my "out-of-the-box" irssi format differs from yours :/
lobbes: Hence my question in #t, i.e. "conversion never ends", so maybe we just set the "standard input" and document it. Let the user of the irssi2tmsr fix their input themselves? idk
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-16 21:36:00 lobbes: I guess what I'm asking is should we bother patching for all permutations of possible formats, or just stick with diana_coman's original and state what it expects. To my limited eye I'd say the latter is the saner approach
asciilifeform: re subj -- diana_coman as i understand asciilifeform's copy of db still contains barf in old #o l0gz ? do you have a dump you'd like to deed and have asciilifeform eat ? ( or is this in queue )
lobbes: the same thing is true with my znc2tmsr converter, fwiw. It depends on the log files in each dir being dated in a very specific manner. If that differs, then it'd "break" the converter.
lobbes: still, it managed to eat a good 4 years worth of #e log archives. So some utility, just perhaps not worth driving ourselves insane trying pinpoint the *znc/irssi* standard, and instead just say "this is the input your logs must be in, deal with it"
lobbes: *this is the format your input
asciilifeform: lobbes: i admit i gun grasp the 'conversion never ends' comment. after all of the vintage material converted into canonical format, that's it
lobbes: asciilifeform: well, for example, what about the phf era1 logs?
lobbes: or perhaps someone else starts a castle but neglects to use stan logotron, then needs to convert
asciilifeform: lobbes: these converted correctly into current format. problem is re the fundamental url scheme, which currently relies on continuous clock
asciilifeform: which is why not imported'em yet
asciilifeform: the /log/chan/year-mo-day#123456 scheme is untenable
lobbes: agreed on that, for sure
asciilifeform: nobody's suggested a practical replacement yet afaik, tho
whaack_pura_vida: update on finding a citadel: i've been iterating through various web fronts (airbnb, longtermlettings.com, etc to try and message people to try to make a deal for a place off platform) I can't seem to find anything close to what i would get living with friend. There are nice places in the $1200/mo range, which i am tempted to take, but those seem like the incorrect choice per http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-live-to-be-rich
whaack_pura_vida: It looks like i'm going to fail to get a lease during this 1 week trip. The big mistake was that I did not do a thorough search before coming. I had some places lined up that fell through a week before getting here, and so I got left scrambling, thinking that I was safe because I had that good deal living below friend.
shrysr: diana_coman: Re :cursing stupidity - lol ok. i started with the full intention to properly curse my stupidity.. and quite wanted to in fact! but as i went through.. i could not decide if I was stupid to not trust you *immediately* and submit and be open. I thought - yes - I know that was stupidity now - but was it wrong to take time? fwiw, my first line was that i wanted to break into data-hag... albeit
shrysr: with no proper explanation. And then i realised that - ofc time is effin important and it could have taken less time if i *had* communicated or actively *discussed* to convey + understand if I could trust you instead of... well partially engaging with some suspicion + internal rumination. The discussion could have been external... open. i thought that ultimately my stupidity - was abt poor communication
shrysr: and not understanding that that reviews + tasks fall within the work + sustainable consistent progress. it was not even that I thought half a day late is ok (which I have not since some weeks) - the real issue was accounting time for review before deadline and not meddling with shit in the last minute.
asciilifeform: oh hey shrysr , didja ever make any progress in re v.py ?
asciilifeform: shrysr: iirc this was among the 1st homeworks diana_coman gave you
asciilifeform: it's been, wat, 7 wks ?!
diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm he has to dig himself out of a much deeper pit.
diana_coman: lobbes: ugh, indeed it is; yours has < nick> while mine has simply nick:
asciilifeform: diana_coman: deeper pit << aite, i'ma not distract then.
shrysr: asciilifeform: hey.. i'm sorry no. yes it was in fact the first... and its been more than 7w.. i apologise.
diana_coman: so apparently irssi2tmsr is an ever shifting beast
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i admit i read coupla kilometres of the shrysr log and still somewhat puzzled re what his pit is
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re db I'll deed the copy but...deedbot has been down
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty
diana_coman: and yes, it's still those damned lines before the logger ie the converted ones; it's enough to go delete where < 1000000 and then eat the file, that's how I corrected mine but ugh, sorry for all the versions.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: no worries; i'ma eat it asap after deeded.
diana_coman: lobbes: re format yes, that's what I did with latest vpatch: gave concrete example re "format" (it includes * ) and this will be eat
asciilifeform: diana_coman: are you running bvt's patched bot atm ? i'm planning to rotate it in friday night.
diana_coman: btw asciilifeform I've signed all vpatches of logotron + added it
diana_coman: asciilifeform: darn, did I miss a vpatch?
diana_coman: I have to do maintenance early morning here when it's quiet in the forums.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: loox like i have sigs from you for all the current patches ( and 1 moar which aint on my www yet, 'irssi_format.kv.vpatch'
asciilifeform: )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, that's the fix re irssi format
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform: aa and loox like you signed 'raw_line_fix.kv.vpatch' and 'uptimefix_bye_cache.kv.vpatch' , i'ma add these to my mirror, ty
diana_coman: shrysr: by the sounds of it, rather confused as to what stupidity is; sigh.
diana_coman will bbl
BingoBoingo: whaack_pura_vida: I lived in a hostel nearly 7 months. What's the local equivalent of "MercadoLibre" or "Gallito" called there?
BingoBoingo: whaack_pura_vida: Look for places where the locals look for places. If you look where the gringos look you are going to see offerings priced for Gringos. Look where the locals look and you should see a wider range of options.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: added your sigs to logotron www. (all but the newest patch, which i have not had chance to try of yet)
BingoBoingo: whaack_pura_vida: https://inmuebles.mercadolibre.co.cr/apartamentos/ << Try looking here
whaack_pura_vida: BingoBoingo: gracias
BingoBoingo: You'll have to consult someone else on locations, but getting off the gringo sites seems to close the 250-1200 USD gap
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002920 - unless you define your terms and stick to the definitions, you'll just go on various tangents forever and achieve nothing at all.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 14:45:27 shrysr: diana_coman: Re :cursing stupidity - lol ok. i started with the full intention to properly curse my stupidity.. and quite wanted to in fact! but as i went through.. i could not decide if I was stupid to not trust you *immediately* and submit and be open. I thought - yes - I know that was stupidity now - but was it wrong to take time? fwiw, my first line was that i wanted to break into data-hag... albeit
diana_coman: shrysr: and if you know now that it *was* stupid, then go for it, that's enough. All the "but..." is precisely your stupid protecting itself; so : stupid square, add it to the list and don't listen to further "but..."
diana_coman: shrysr: and you know, "I was also apprehensive by then, that being honest/vocal about my self/plans or questions would end up with.." - this here is stupidity cubed already;
diana_coman: there are so many wrong things there that you'll have a lot of fun figuring them out.
diana_coman: shrysr: what's with the anger anyway (towards my probing, towards lobbes, basically towards anything and anyone that tried to help)?
diana_coman: that ^ is totally stupid
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002921 - eh, so here you even looked a bit deeper but...failed to write it?? and to add to the lulz, the conclusion was "poor communication" after which you promptly proceed to ...poorly communicate it, lmao
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 14:45:28 shrysr: with no proper explanation. And then i realised that - ofc time is effin important and it could have taken less time if i *had* communicated or actively *discussed* to convey + understand if I could trust you instead of... well partially engaging with some suspicion + internal rumination. The discussion could have been external... open. i thought that ultimately my stupidity - was abt poor communication
diana_coman: shrysr: did you do similar at all points in there? ie ended up somehow with "it's poor communication" and so overall that was ~all you were left with?
shrysr: diana_coman: hey i did write that.... that it was poor communication + time mgmt! ....well i felt it was incomplete - but I thought I had the basic answers, and i tried to tie em in to the stuff written.... kindda diluting it in the process as well with even more tangents. I thought that poor communication was the root cause feeding the other mistakes incl lack of trust... not resorting to a clear 'this be
shrysr: shiny - and i wanna do' list. In parallel - the incl review+tasks in work bit. i was also left with shame and disgust for myself for not trusting you and in the process wasting time which i thought was unforgivable. In exploring those - i concluded that i was right to feel them - but the issues were corrected in the sense - i had submitted a few weeks ago.
diana_coman: shrysr: the problem is not "did not trust on the spot" ie the fact; facts just are, they can't be stupid or intelligent or anything else; what *can* be stupid is what you do when faced with those facts.
diana_coman: I know you said "poor communication" but that is 1. a very generic and useless by itself term 2. ~all you said.
shrysr: i see it is exponential stupidity. re: anger ...well anger to the extent of outburst pretty much happened only that one time. Just a few other times after that I was annoyed when i was thinking defensively and not objectively to your probing. obv I had to accept there were straw men in the outburst as you pointed out, and fwiw accepted that immediately in my head atleast and the anger disappeared right
shrysr: then. It was really confined to the initial few weeks on some occassions. hmm particularly w.r.t lobbes it was the first time he had spoken to me and i thought he didnt know me at all to say what he did. I guess I did not realise people do read the logs... I guess i thought he said it out of spite more than advice. I guess I was also primitive in the sense I did not want to talk/listen to anybody but
shrysr: you..and i was even annoyed that i needed that because I was afraid you'd just tell me to fuck off or disappear at some point. even with asciilifeform - i suddenly had a surge of reverence towards him after actually reading some of his posts several weeks down after popping in here.
asciilifeform: shrysr: it is ok to 'reverance' but at the risk of repeating the obvious, if you dun do the homeworks, you'll soon flunk, here, or in #a, or anywhere, just like at uni
asciilifeform: imho diana_coman has patience of a saint, i dun think i could have absorbed, myself, the 100 kilometres of 'soon i will do it'
diana_coman: hello whaack_pura_vida how's house-hunting going?
diana_coman: shrysr: you need to look at things more objectively for sure, yes.
diana_coman: shrysr: so in all the above, you first knee-jerk-stupidly and then - if and only if - there's somebody to pin you down one way or another (here, me) for long enough so you calm down and actually start using your brain, you ...start finally thinking and reading and all that stuff?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so far he seems to have been bent on adding to his workload, never actually getting rid of any of it, lol.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002972 - ftr, I do NOT advise newcomers to believe this; there is also for instance the very short life of Bubico Garson (aka zmk) http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-07-29#1925422
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 16:42:03 asciilifeform: imho diana_coman has patience of a saint, i dun think i could have absorbed, myself, the 100 kilometres of 'soon i will do it'
ossabot: Logged on 2019-07-29 04:32:17 deedbot: diana_coman rated zmk -5 << Bubico Garson (eu l-am aruncat, manca-i-ai coada!).
shrysr: diana_coman: well in the case of anger, if no onez around to pin me at that moment - i think i pin myself down much later.
shrysr: too much later to be of use perhaps. But i can say that has improved over the years.
diana_coman: shrysr: well, do you plan to just... outlive it, or what?
diana_coman: shrysr: missing your opportunity because "knee-jerked" is still missing and no amount of beating yourself over it *afterwards* is going to reverse it or anything.
shrysr: asciilifeform: i'm not here to abuse diana_coman's patience.. or anybodyz. perhaps you were born with superior everything or attained 'self-realisation' before balls dropped and i wd revere even more if so - as much as my reverence is meaningless - but the 100km was an attempt to communicate, and make sense of my problem and not to 'fuck around'. I harbor no illusion of not getting kicked out if i dun do
shrysr: the homework. fwiw: there are others i shown reverence who dont have 10% of patience here and who've sent inept 1 line replies to my hours+++ of composed emails or repeated Q's...just so you know: i have no doubt as of today that diana_coman has my full attention and efforts as well.
diana_coman: shrysr: when is your projected/latest date for "new job"?
whaack_pura_vida: diana_coman: house hunting was going poorly as of this morning, but now i have a lead on a place owned by a tica w/ an ocean view for $650/mo + utilities.
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: I hope you *are* still searching for other options too, just in case this one doesn't work out, yes?
whaack_pura_vida: well after reading that message, yes. i'll admit that my rigor died as soon as this option that looks like a "done deal" appeared.
asciilifeform: whaack_pura_vida: outta curiosity, what does 650 get you there ? (i.e. free-standing building ? flat?)
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: good for you on admitting it; and don't let rigor die unless you have already the keys of the place.
whaack_pura_vida: asciilifeform: you can get your own building, it's likely going to have some western comfort missing: ac, hot water, etc.
asciilifeform: whaack_pura_vida: a window ac is a coupla hundy, 1time
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: from what I gathered the hot water in cr is ~shower mainly/only for "default options"
whaack_pura_vida: asciilifeform: well i haven't done the math but i understand it also adds substantially to utility fee
diana_coman: basically it's possibly ~same to pay tica to fan him with some palm-leaves.
asciilifeform: whaack_pura_vida: you can calculate exact cost in advance, presumably the local util co will tell you what a kW/hr costs
diana_coman: getting some Spanish practice too, so clearly works out as better investment
shrysr: logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002845 << yes... re: outlive, no. i dont have a plan to eradicate it.
diana_coman: ha, what happened to bot?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: bot demands the htt...
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, right; drat.
whaack_pura_vida: heh. well i've been advised that there are cute tica neighbors surrounding the place. anyways the spot i'm looking at already has ac installed
asciilifeform: whaack_pura_vida: how long is the usual lease term in cr ? ( i.e. is this a difficult problem cuz you can't move for years even if find cheaper spot ? )
whaack_pura_vida: asciilifeform: around here everyone seems to want to do vacation rentals. so i could probably get a shorter lease if i wanted. that being said, this spot is a quality location for me so i feel comfortable making a year commitment at $650. i can try to make sure that i can sublet on the lease
asciilifeform: it loox like great price, but admittedly from pov of asciilifeform , who lives where you can't even rent an open air parking spot for this sum; nfi re cr
shrysr: diana_coman: re: projected date - hard to say. my thought is that it will either happ oct- early nov, and if not b/w jan-march.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thinking of getting a lease like that too and working from there?
diana_coman: shrysr: that sounds like "latest date - march"; and if it still doesn't happen by march?
whaack_pura_vida: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002501 << I'm going to look for the next gig, preemptively. As per recent #t /lobbes blog logs I would like to get to the point where i can sell my gigs
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:59:49 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002488 - what's the plan for after that then?
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: concrete plans beat likes any day.
whaack_pura_vida: right. I can discuss the idea more concretely in my plans for republic work post. iirc there was a thread a while back about the utility of someone spending their time obtaining jobs and marketing them off in the forum.
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: ok
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1003009 << would be pretty great; but several practical obstacles in the way. not the least of which is that it'd astronomically raise the cost of obtaining gear for piz.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 17:30:51 diana_coman: asciilifeform: thinking of getting a lease like that too and working from there?
whaack_pura_vida: btw, I still plan to have my post re past/future work for the republic by the end of this Sunday. but I feel that it may not be as thorough as desired. My time sinks are: finding a place, surfing, and salt mines work. What would help is a list of entry ways into the republic. I know of http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ but i'm not sure whether i'm supposed to use that or just read it a
whaack_pura_vida: nd think of what-could-have-been
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why? at most you have another trip to pick them up from someone in the US or what? at any rate, maybe worth actually looking at ways to remove those practical obstacles?
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: that is obsolete so not a lot of help in itself; nobody is going to make the list ready for you to pick and choose, wtf.
diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: publish what you figure out by Sunday together with *how you went about* the figuring out
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if ~100% of the req'd components didn't live in usa warehouses, would be much simpler. as it is, would have to fight w/ ~2~ sets of customs rather than 1, make regular trips b/w 2 rather than 1 shitholes , somehow obtain the heavy equipment ( was looking into sheet metal fabrication recently for chassis ) , my current understanding is that in e.g. cr even basic necessities have to be flown in, at considerable cost
diana_coman: then iirc you still have http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002519 to decide on
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 09:12:05 diana_coman: whaack, tanami - the above is valid for you too.
shrysr: diana_coman: the idea is that by then - i shd have some feedback as to Why not happening and can work on it... Alternative cd be to consider direct competition of current mine/ similar mine. Another alternative cd be education. Another cd be taking the risk of contract jobs related to ERP. the easiest and least preferred is similar mine shift...... another possible alternative is to switch gears by mid
asciilifeform: diana_coman: without this constraint, i'd go straight to BingoBoingostan, seems like the logical thing.
shrysr: Oct -> plan out project in parallel now - one useful to tmsr under your guidance to be fin by dec/jan, and use that as part of portfolio for job apps in jan-march. The last deals with urgency of shift in a flaky manner. the base work of company + profile + contacts will be done though.
whaack_pura_vida: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1003024 << yes i'm meditating on it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 17:51:12 diana_coman: then iirc you still have http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002519 to decide on
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 09:12:05 diana_coman: whaack, tanami - the above is valid for you too.
whaack_pura_vida will bbl / tomorrow.
diana_coman: shrysr: well, atm you can at most do useful-to-you-and-tmsr-related (ie learning really, albeit yes, something concrete to do /show for it too, ofc); there's still some way to go before you can do something useful *to* tmsr as such.
diana_coman: shrysr: do you mean above that by mid-October you are done with company+profile+contacts?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I don't know but honestly, if it's really true that *all* that is keeping you now in the USA is not-to-increase-prices-for-pizarro, I dare say you should just ask in #t for help with finding a solution to this and therefore actually moving.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it aint all , sadly ( there remains the fact that if the folx i slave for were to close up, which is likely to happen at some pt, chances are that would have to return to shithole ) but is the most immediate practical headache. some folx can meet their commitments using tooling that fits in a suitcase; asciilifeform sadly is not 1 of'em. not even speaking of piz, even the gear used to prototype FG , would take up a sma
asciilifeform: ll railcar.
shrysr: well - as such it is a continuous process sure, but once the baseline profile + company + contact list is established - then its not gonna be terribly time consuming per se is my thought... The point was more that - i push to establish above base - and use the lul period of pre-christmas to work on projects instead, ...continue shooting out apps, but only spend extra time on interesting
shrysr: applications/companies.
shrysr: diana_coman: ^ re: mid Oct
BingoBoingo suspects anywhere asciilifeform moves is going to recieve alf's lab intermodal container shortly after alf
shrysr: diana_coman: even before then the skill deficit list will def become clear, and the project can be planned around that was my thought.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as it is , i barely have the budget to run it ~here~ , much less to move it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ' asciilifeform's lab container ' is made largely of surplus gear, collected over many yrs of bargain-hunting in usa ; it aint an item that can be re-created from off-the-shelf catalogues in 'third world' in anything like reasonable time and cost below six-figure
diana_coman: shrysr: well, for starters, ~everything in tmsr requires... use of V
asciilifeform: ^
diana_coman: so dunno how you're thinking there, really.
diana_coman: and for that matter, are you actually saying that you'll get the requirements of x companies and then I'm supposed to ...train you for *them*?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not to add headache, but while we're on subj of lab containers : do you remember that mp offered to buy you an entire fucking building ? in BingoBoingostan ! what happened to this? i recall you went to research, did this return null ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or do you ~like~ living in a coffin hotel ?? i dun get it
diana_coman: shrysr: are you sending any applications now/before mid-Oct?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in your place, i'd do whatever takes to make errything else in my calendar go the fuck away (what's in yours, exactly?) for as long as it takes to dig up the necessary data
diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
asciilifeform: goodnight diana_coman
asciilifeform bbl:meat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I spent last week testing transit times to evaluate which directions result in pessimum transit. The write up is underway.
shrysr: diana_coman: re:V - i'll do it. and no not 'train me for them'... its as you just said - useful for me and tmsr related. useful for me i.e that cover only major skill/proj exp deficits. to illustrate: work with 'large data' on remote sql server and applied text analysis to do XXX. Re: apps now, yes, already sent, and more down the line def.
shrysr: diana_coman: *to reach interview*, init filter is likely gonna go for eg 'do you know SQL? Yes. > Ok, how/when used? '????'. 'oh, what size of data??', 'so result/impact?'.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ok, looking forward to reading
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/09/18/expoprado-at-rural-de-prado-an-exhibition-of-uruguays-agricultural-supremacy/ was not strictly to see the critters

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