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diana_coman: rekt_: привет! are you in Russia?
rekt_: No, that is one of my languages
rekt_: Russian ftw
diana_coman: rekt_: what other languages do you speak then?
diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, your blog is with pizarro too, sigh; I'll look at the paste later today
diana_coman: thimbronion: at a quick look: 1. you really need to practice saying things *in your own words*; 2. when you go "how is x different from y" the answer should take the shape of "x is this way while y is that way" for various "way"
diana_coman: thimbronion: lolz, you have two 1; re first paragraph of your summary - you don't merely replace the mushroom metaphor, you outright change the subject there! your first paragraph betrays a "wtf, I have no idea what this is" re the first original paragraph
diana_coman: thimbronion: and instead of struggling to figure out what the author actually says there, you trim and chop it to fit your pre-existing thoughts
diana_coman: thimbronion: as I said it before to shrysr , so it applies to you: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004132
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 15:51:51 diana_coman: shrysr: when you read something it should be a lot more the *other* way around - you may look at how you fit the description there (even how you change to fit the description there) and certainly NOT "how to change the description to fit me"
diana_coman: rekt_: don't be shy; the more you engage and interact, the better for you really; and who knows what comes out of it.
diana_coman: thimbronion: a review (as well as quite a few other things actually, god dammit it) has a structure too, you know? you don't just plonk "this is dog" and then put there whatever went on in your mind.
diana_coman: *before* you are allowed to publish words you should *know what the fuck you want to say*
diana_coman: sure, you can write 1mn drafts and work your way in writing to understanding
diana_coman: but they are not going to be called summaries for that, no matter how many times you introduce them as such
diana_coman: thimbronion: you know, if you *have to say* "this is a summary/review/dog", chances are very, very high that it's precisely because it is...not yet a summary/review/dog
diana_coman: you should get some slop for dinner, served with a very nice label "this is cordon bleu"; see what that does for you.
diana_coman: thimbronion: there are several ways you can structure your review, sure; but structure it you must; if it's just "something that grew", it's the above slop.
diana_coman: thimbronion: do the simplest of structures: start with the goal (you're reviewing your own summary as an exercise and as a needed step to be able to improve on next attempt) overall conclusion (it sucks on aspect A, B, C; there is perhaps D that sort of works but fails short on E etc) and then take each of those aspects and detail them
diana_coman: at the end, you can add then the discussion as to why each fail, sure; it's basically part of fulfilling that original goal of the exercise.
diana_coman: but note that a review in itself is *not concerned* with whatever excuses; it's concerned with evaluating the thing reviewed, as it stands, that's all.
diana_coman: thimbronion: on the irc task: what's your current plan re talking to them?
rekt_: Hi. Sorry, a little busy
thimbronion: diana_coman: My plan is to start at the top of the list, find out who is in charge of administering the network and state the facts, document response. I would prefer to wait until my blog is back up so I can have mp's and your comments more freshly in mind before going in. If my blog is not back by tonight I will go in tomorrow without it.
thimbronion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-07#1004751 << I will rewrite review by EOD Sunday.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:05:12 diana_coman: thimbronion: do the simplest of structures: start with the goal (you're reviewing your own summary as an exercise and as a needed step to be able to improve on next attempt) overall conclusion (it sucks on aspect A, B, C; there is perhaps D that sort of works but fails short on E etc) and then take each of those aspects and detail them
diana_coman: thimbronion: all right; mind you state the goal in your *own words* + ask if stuck/lost again, yes?
thimbronion: diana_coman: How do I know some words are my own?
diana_coman: thimbronion: practice; try restating that goal-statement in at least 3 ways.
diana_coman: thimbronion: some words are your own if you a. know exactly what they mean b. know exactly why you chose to use *each of them* to say whatever you are saying
diana_coman: it's not enough to say "I agree with X's statement"
diana_coman: that is at best a sort of passive understanding of a thing and it's *not enough*
diana_coman: thimbronion: say something
thimbronion: diana_coman: I know I have questions but I don't think they'll be clear to me until I try the restatement exercise.
diana_coman: thimbronion: all right; how about http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-07#1004754 ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:14:23 diana_coman: thimbronion: on the irc task: what's your current plan re talking to them?
thimbronion: diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-07#1004756
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:53:37 thimbronion: diana_coman: My plan is to start at the top of the list, find out who is in charge of administering the network and state the facts, document response. I would prefer to wait until my blog is back up so I can have mp's and your comments more freshly in mind before going in. If my blog is not back by tonight I will go in tomorrow without it.
diana_coman: thimbronion: re your blog yes, ugh; we will have to wait and sort it out first indeed, for several reasons; re plan though: you just need to go to their admin chan or whatever and *ask* who is in charge + talk, that's all.
thimbronion: diana_coman: can you expand more on talk?
diana_coman: thimbronion: what's the unclear part there? you know, like every time you go to a new place, you say hello and where you're coming from + why you are there + asking who should you be talking to if not there/them; let them answer, answer the challenges etc
diana_coman: re coming from - TMSR in this case, hopefully that much is clear
thimbronion: diana_coman: I wasn't clear on the difference between "stating the facts" and talking.
diana_coman: thimbronion: talking involves actually interacting with the other party ie reacting as well as stating the facts
diana_coman: several steps.
thimbronion: diana_coman: Is there a particular link that would be best in this context for giving to administrators who are curious about TMSR?
diana_coman: thimbronion: in this particular context I'd give them the logger really with direct statement that look, we have several very active and lively chans + infrastructure and all
diana_coman: and invite them to join to find out more, sure, why not
diana_coman: come and talk to us directly, why not
thimbronion: diana_coman: hm yes, this makes much sense.
diana_coman: you can ofc give basic explanations, there's the main forum #trilema and then various castles covering different aspects, it's growing etc
thimbronion: diana_coman: in that case I would definitely like to wait until we figure out what is going on in uy. Definitely don't want to send them to a dead link.
diana_coman: but realise that you are giving them the crumbs to follow and that because you are kind hearted pretty much; you are specifically *not* explaining yourself to them because they have no such claim over you, nor can they have it
diana_coman: thimbronion: well, you can always send them to my logger that is fine and well ofc; but anyways, yes, I'd wait a bit for now to get out of the pizmess first, one way or another
diana_coman: rekt_: up to you really but note that 1. no opportunity lasts forever 2. busy may be at one time or another, but can't quite last for days on end (or you have a very serious problem with your own time management there)
thimbronion: diana_coman: concerning China, I'm going to ask for some research this week, the result being a list of mainland China based Bitcoin focused blogs with specific, named authors.
rekt_: I have a very rigid daily program
diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter why not ask re irc/equivalent networks/chans; I have no idea exactly what they have in there
rekt_: breakfast, gym, food, study 20 languages, food, work, gym, food, sleep
diana_coman: rekt_: and so if/when opportunity knocks on your door you say "I have no time because I have a very rigid program" ?
diana_coman: rekt_: *some* slack time has to be part of the most rigid program too; for that matter you are still human, not a robot
thimbronion: diana_coman: the thought occurred to look for China based IRC networks. I will inquire there as well. This may require some education on the part of my contact.
diana_coman: I mean: it sounds like a very strong will and all that, hopefully it also works well for you; but still.
diana_coman: rekt_: ^ is for you.
rekt_: Yes I don't have time for a relationship
rekt_: Been single for 20 heads
rekt_: 20 years *
diana_coman: rekt_: uhm, if that's your worry, put it to rest, lolz.
rekt_: My life is about long term plan
rekt_: if what is my worry?
rekt_: How weak is a person who complains about the fact
rekt_: Vs a person who sees it as a fact and remains like I am, unaffected?
diana_coman: rekt_: if your worry here is geting into a relationship ie time-eating
diana_coman: rekt_: neah, you got the wrong end of the stick there, simmer down.
rekt_: Read my last message
rekt_: Maybe you're confused about my personal strength
diana_coman: rekt_: no, I have no idea about your personal strength; but you are talking to your own strawmen there, not to what I said.
rekt_: I addressed my capacity for facing reality, but you insist I am worried
rekt_: Not sure what I'd be worried about
diana_coman: rekt_: not at all, no
rekt_: My only concern is my long term goal
rekt_: Peace out triggered snowflake trumpets
diana_coman: lolz.
diana_coman: can't argue with a man on a very rigid plan, what.
diana_coman: studying 20 languages but being utterly unable to communicate; takes the whole modern autism to another level.
bvt: tbh that sounded a lot like cat-v to me
diana_coman: bvt: how/why's that?
bvt: he insisted on this 'life = long-term plans', but was not really communicating with anyone
bvt: i immediately rememebered one case of mp entering some cat-v-derived channel, with their insistence on 'authority = send us patches', but also not communicating, just repeating the mantra
diana_coman: bvt: in principle single-minded focus to the extreme; he was *very* triggered by some impression that "not strong" though
diana_coman: ah, but that "just repeating the mantra" is precisely the "modern day autism" I mentioned; you'll meet it already if you just say something "out of script" to whatever employee
diana_coman: the multiple lulz here is that he claimed he focused on studying languages of all things; but other than that it's very common really; this "word x -> reply y", no meaning involved, no person really, just an automaton repeating - as you say - mantras
bvt: well, getting easily triggered seems to be highly individual, but extreme singular focus is what distiguishes cat-v for me
diana_coman: fwiw I fished him out of some oftc sad&deserted chan that wasn't however cat-v; can't even recall exactly which one, I did a foray in thimbronion's selection of networks the other day
bvt: looks like one of the manalone 'evolution' direction, should be plenty in all fields (languages or saving unix); and i also wonder, he did not even say what he needs 20 languages for?
diana_coman: bvt: iirc he said something (possibly before coming here) re travelling the world and making money out of vlogging
diana_coman: and sure, in all fields; but learning languages while avoiding communication is so ...divorced of reality that I don't yet have full words for it really.
thimbronion: diana_coman: Is there further instruction on how to proceed with plans/reviews?

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