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lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009098 << I will be doing some planning this weekend re: my next few weeks of work. I'll put said plan on the blog once I have it hashed out
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 15:28:53 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009074 - ok, so when's your eta to be done with putting those things in order so you can really get going?
auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (122h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009174 - myeah but listen here, wtf was that latency and dropping stuff there?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 18:42:19 jfw: nope, ty.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009177 - oh hey, glad to hear it!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 18:56:27 hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999045 << i'm thoroughly enjoying my logreading, haha. i've been missing out!
diana_coman: hanbot: re time, there was an initial burst and then I reigned it in to something more sustainable, meaning about 3.5 hours per day averaged out; it's usually reading younghands.club on Monday morning + daily half hour in the morning, some attention as/if needed during the day and 2 hours from 7pm (though not on all days).
diana_coman: then of course if people start spinning and answering like jfw yesterday as if everyone had all the time in the world to wait for them, there is waste and I'm currently considering measures against it.
diana_coman: hanbot: it's worth saying though that the above time is active time; there was and times is a lot of background-thinking that is much harder to measure.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009087 - you are welcome.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:35:25 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009044 << and a beautifully economizing description at that, thank you!
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009184 - sounds good and I'll read it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 00:55:14 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009098 << I will be doing some planning this weekend re: my next few weeks of work. I'll put said plan on the blog once I have it hashed out
hanbot: diana_coman thanks for the details --and yes i'm sure there's quite a column of less tangible organization etc. i was especially curious re daily commitment against what i'm reading, so your estimate helps
diana_coman: np; if you are still going through July, that's certainly within the initial-burst, I suspect it even shows; then again, starting things tends to require some burst in my experience.
hanbot: am well into august, and the burst is pretty clear, yeah. incidentally, i gather you did some funnel-making online to trawl for noobish/forlorn coders? was that more successful than the meattalk you gave etc?
auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (117h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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diana_coman: hanbot: certainly more successful since basically all you see is ~that; meattalk resulted in full 0.
diana_coman: hanbot: though the online was initial stage ie manual only; the issue in the end turned out that I'm unpersuaded as to those forums being of much use (webstack derping oh god)
diana_coman: basically I do *not* want coders but ...live people, ffs.
diana_coman: apparently a rare sort.
diana_coman: ftr I should say that meattalk works for as long as meattalk only ie I'd need to kick them loads to get online and frankly I don't think they are worth *that* much.
diana_coman: ave1: what happened to you?
hanbot: diana_coman incredibly rare, in my (well international by now!) experience; people i meet face to face seem to have the interest, but not the proficiency, to find their way into the proverbial paper bag. online, i typically find the opposite, "why should i drop my tweeting/circlejerking/candy crush to jump hoops". so far and for a long while the only answer i've got is casting a wider net and not going nuts over it meanwhile.
hanbot: it's especially in light of all that that i'm positive impressed with #o here.
hanbot: *positively, lol
diana_coman: hanbot: noted, thank you; I was/am reconsidering precisely the wider net & target part; fwiw in general I tend to notice & bring out the live people if/when I meet some but a bit at a loss as to where it's more likely to run into them
diana_coman: hanbot: thank you :)
diana_coman: possibly a working eulora would even help with that tbh
hanbot: i'm sure
jfw: Apologies for that latency diana_coman. In this case I am guilty of multitasking: had switched to browser window and got drawn into reading; the former being the stupid part since the latter is predictable. I see how this was disrespectful of your time.
jfw: on dropped items, what's coming to mind is: 1) http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008850 from the previous day, 2) the news of weekend trip which I should have said first thing not last, possibly 3) http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009158 - had you wanted me to track him down right then?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 15:51:28 diana_coman: jfw: do you have certainty re supply there esp since older model?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 18:13:43 diana_coman: jfw grab dorion too and consider then; best in here too.
whaack: billymg: you should put an avatar on billymg.com
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 19:23:58 diana_coman: jfw: shrysr whaack get yourselves a proper avatar on your blog, will you? mp-wp will use whatever you have as avatar.png on your domain eg mine is http://ossasepia.com/avatar.png
diana_coman: jfw: fine; don't do it again though.
jfw: diana_coman: noted.
diana_coman: jfw: not tracking him on the spot necessarily, no, but ack /some feedback as to what are you going to do (if anything??), basic.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009103 << cool.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 15:31:45 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009082 - not at all out of line, quite on the contrary since this is something related to your biz, so shared, I even expect you add to it if there's more (and he to your answers if they lack anything); and for that matter nudges in the open, it's perfectly fine.
jfw: sticky-noted in fact.
diana_coman: and dropping was re that weekend trip, yes; because if I take at face value your input there yest, it will end up badly.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008876 << it started with the motivation to freeze
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 16:10:03 diana_coman: but hm, that does sound overall more like your own practice room to know-more-linux than anything else
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 16:17:16 diana_coman: the point was precisely that, namely to pin down and freeze something that one can reliably reproduce and then have as a starting point
dorion: after wrestling with gentoo, jfw decided he'd rather start clean as clean as possible, including bootstrapping where gentoo fails, rather than decruft.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:51:28 dorion: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-15#1006391 << to add more context to this and with the luxury of hindsight, the original also included premature optimatizations such as a) make a linux from scratch cause no way to 'catalyst' a gentoo stage3 without a gentoo and b) implement scheme interpreter because even though jfw is strong with python, "not specified, does anyone even
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-15 20:18:42 jfw: Original idea of the business was to do btc/fiat brokerage, "done right" as in GPG API, TRB and so forth. The connections to do that didn't work out, but since I'd been working on hardware/software security, we've focused on selling that / training.
diana_coman: myeah, I know that impulse and desire; it's still not a practical path though.
dorion: diana_coman we've paid for it, and don't think the paying is done.
diana_coman: dorion: quite.
jfw: diana_coman: not quite following on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009229
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:17:26 diana_coman: and dropping was re that weekend trip, yes; because if I take at face value your input there yest, it will end up badly.
jfw: do you mean, if you allow a pattern of last-minute things?
diana_coman: jfw: look, whenever I'm talking here to any of you, I'm paying you full attention, right? now look back at that convo and see how it looks because besides the multitasking/not-quite-here, it would seem as if you dropped that thing precisely when I said I was going away and then not even bothered to look/wait at all.
diana_coman: I'll put it behind this time and this time only.
dorion takes note. circling is death.
jfw: noted too.
diana_coman: thank you.
jfw: and thank you for the patience.
diana_coman will bbl
dorion: to continue the Gales thread, the ports system (gports) grew with needs, deliberately opposed to Linux for s/everyone/no one/ ; it remains relatively small because projects like the Scheme interpreter took substantial time.
dorion: The gbuild scripts follow how jfw thinks/needs the package to be build, aiming for enumarating goodness.
dorion: On the one hand, there isn't a USE flag type mechanism, but otoh they're shell scripts which are straight foward enough to be modified by the operator, as opposed to the substantial investment one needs to make in gentooism to understand how to modify an ebuild.
jfw: granted some investment required in either case, and some ebuilds are more comprehensible than others
dorion: given Gales uses busybox, and trinque is looking at busybox, it occurs to me to ask if it's worth investigating what would be needed for gales to be integrated into cuntoo or vice-versa.
ossabot: (trilema) 2019-11-06 trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009107 << I had you in mind when I put it in my plan for the week.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 15:33:55 BingoBoingo: dorion, jfw: It occurs to me that an overview of the Gringo job market, cost of living, quality of life, etc in Panama could be of use to myself in the near future. Should diana_coman find this a useful allocation of some of either of your time.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009109 << will do, I had started on the outline earlier in the week.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 15:35:33 diana_coman: dorion: bump that up please.
BingoBoingo: Attn all looking to build up their handware stockpiles, another chassis is set for the auction block: http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505
auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (112h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009249 - it's of more concern that it's not that scalable really rather than that it's small currently
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:31:15 dorion: to continue the Gales thread, the ports system (gports) grew with needs, deliberately opposed to Linux for s/everyone/no one/ ; it remains relatively small because projects like the Scheme interpreter took substantial time.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009251 - except it should all be on V already.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:34:29 dorion: On the one hand, there isn't a USE flag type mechanism, but otoh they're shell scripts which are straight foward enough to be modified by the operator, as opposed to the substantial investment one needs to make in gentooism to understand how to modify an ebuild.
diana_coman: ie sure, I don't particularly want to support ebuilds; onth if I go for something else & new, it should be V-shaped.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009253 - not like I didn't tell that to him while he was still futzing about http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002523
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:39:59 dorion: given Gales uses busybox, and trinque is looking at busybox, it occurs to me to ask if it's worth investigating what would be needed for gales to be integrated into cuntoo or vice-versa.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 09:29:43 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002514 - so stop suspecting and instead, just install Cuntoo, do the comparison to find out the differences and write it down properly
diana_coman: but currently he still has other things to sort out first.
auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (107h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (103h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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jfw: diana_coman: I'm uncertain if http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009267 is meant in jest, but to be clear now: I didn't take that lead because indeed I thought it would distract from current priorities, and didn't say so at the time because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002527.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 15:14:28 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009253 - not like I didn't tell that to him while he was still futzing about http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002523
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 09:32:55 diana_coman: jfw: at any rate, before "what task", you'll need to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002518 ;
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009247 - and moreover, as occurred to me once I was in a cab and unwinding a bit, thank you for the pushing, because that's what I signed up for after all.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:28:26 jfw: and thank you for the patience.

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