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whaack: EOD report: Completed all missions during my trip to town: went grocery shopping, got a CR phone so I can tether for backup internet (i am sending this message while connected via the backup phone), picked up my test package from boxcorreos (a $25 uv light inside of a cage that attracts bugs + electrocutes them), and got various household tools / other items from the hardware store. The total time for that process was roughly 6 hou
whaack: rs. I then spent the evening unpacking the items + doing home improvements.
whaack: I've been making some stupid mistakes throughout the day that cost time, for example I put the sim card for the phone in the wrong slot and had to spend 20 minutes fiddling with a toothpick to get it out. However I have not been burning time via activities that I use as escapes while avoiding ongoing problems.
jfw: whaack: nice, how's it feel to have those items unpacked and put to use?
whaack: jfw: quite good.
diana_coman: whaack: well done!
diana_coman: jfw: you are quite spot-on with that comment!
whaack: diana_coman: Thank you. I wore a proper pair of sneakers for the day's activities instead of my usual flip-flops.
diana_coman: whaack: ha! seriously, flip-flops are fine *for the beach* and only there, lolz.
diana_coman: whaack: are you getting the computer parts today?
whaack: diana_coman: ha yes and even that is only for the short walk before you get to the sand where they come off.
whaack: diana_coman: I need to decide asap whether I should make a trip to SJ. If I am not making a trip I can start ordering parts today.
diana_coman: what does that SJ/no SJ depend on?
whaack: diana_coman: I need to see if I can do a one day trip, come early in the morning, shop, come back same day, for a reasonable price.
diana_coman: tbh I thought it was more about whether you can get otherwise everything you need or not, lol; but other than that, I suspect that sooner or later you'll want to at least get once to SJ but perhaps it's easier later on when you get to the point where you can get a car, that might be.
whaack: diana_coman: I've been to SJ before
diana_coman: and had enough of it? lol
whaack: diana_coman: aha well I never really explored it, just stayed at a friend's apartment for a night before going on a flight to Guatemala
whaack: diana_coman: but from my understanding it is not the nicest area
whaack: diana_coman: I just found out that I can drive Surfpal's car _to_ SJ since it would be convenient for him if I dropped it off there.
diana_coman: whaack: you still need to get somehow back too though.
diana_coman: and sleeping in a town != been to town, lol.
whaack: diana_coman: We did a little bit of exploring. I went to the top of some mountains with windmills that had absolutely gorgeous clouds at eye level
whaack: diana_coman: right, I don't think that having a one way ride there helps me at all. It would be more expensive for me to find a cab back
diana_coman: is there any bus maybe?
whaack: diana_coman: That's something I'd normally pay to avoid, but since I can avoid the bus in one direction it is much more worth it.
whaack: diana_coman: Not that i'm too excited to have my first long drive be from dirt "road" Junquillal to San Jose
diana_coman: my sample of CR buses was very small but even so, there was one perfectly fine (long distance though to the Pacific from SJ) and one perfectly horrible, so I can see the pay-to-avoid, certainly; but in that case, if bus is not an option, then you pretty much have no other choice than not to go to SJ, not sure why consider it in the first place.
diana_coman: there is that too.
diana_coman: do let me figure this out again: *why* are you even looking into getting to SJ?
BingoBoingo: Down here the long distance busses are a different, nice contrast to the local ones
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that was my take on CR too; though after that I saw some "long distance" nightmares-on-wheels too so apparently it's not enough for it to be long distance, lol.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I suspect there are a variety of operators. Latinas tend to be *very* price sensitive
whaack: diana_coman: My thought was should there be a way to go to SJ it would be nice to avoid having to deal with the delivery and be able to see all the parts before I get them. Getting my chair was a small hassle, I had to be ~at the ready~ for 3 hours to drive to meet the delivery guy on the road on a nearby town.
diana_coman: yeah, I know how that works; the sort of price-sensitivity that whaack needs to get rid of too.
diana_coman: whaack: while that sounds lousy, I suspect you'll find you do not really have to be at the ready all that much, if you handle the delivery guys properly; what, are they going to head back if you are not at the ready whenever they happen to drop by anywhere/everywhere ?
diana_coman: and dunno but going to SJ for the whole day + time on trip to avoid delivery hassle... uhm.
diana_coman: make the delivery more of a hassle for them if they are being idiotic about it than for you, what.
diana_coman: also, iirc it was a different company than the one with the chair, no/
diana_coman: ?
whaack: diana_coman: That happened with the chair on the first trip. They came on a Saturday (although they had told me it would be arriving the following Monday) and called with one hour notice, I missed it and thus they took it back lol.
diana_coman: well, they can go back and forth with it as much as they like, no?
diana_coman: you tell them and agree with them on some specific time window and you don't care about the rest, let them learn or something.
diana_coman: I know time is not a Latina concept but still.
whaack: diana_coman: You're right, the trip to SJ is a lot of work for no reason. I will just get the parts delivered.
diana_coman: sensible; and problem sorted too.
BingoBoingo: Not like the thermal paste is going to cross the Caribean any faster
whaack: BingoBoingo: thimbronion is helping with that specific item.
BingoBoingo: whaack: Nice. Still, there's only so much you can do getting some parts locally while others wait on transit.
diana_coman: whaack: for that matter, usually this sort of "delivery on an unexpected schedule" tends to rely on "if I don't answer, talk to the neighbours/friends/extended village" and so on so maybe consider that sort of help too; it's among the hassles/benefits of that sort of environment, what can I say.
diana_coman has never liked it but not for lack of experience with how it works.
whaack: diana_coman: I tried that. The chair company had both my number and my landlord's, and we had a friend who works in a nearby town who they could drop it off with should we not be able to meet them. Unfortunately, all 3 points failed - they couldn't contact me/my landlord and the person who works in the shop in the town was not there that day.
diana_coman: aha, it happens.
whaack: diana_coman: But it was not such a big deal. They just came again the next Tuesday. Overall the delivery experience with them + boxcorreos has been better than I had hoped for.
BingoBoingo_: One way Latin thrift manifests is they'll walk around with their cellphone/fondleslab turned on, but habitually turn off the data "para no gastar"
diana_coman: aha, so don't avoid it and don't worry about their self-inflicted waste of time, just don't let it infect you too, it's on them.
whaack: diana_coman: Cool. I'll go ahead and try and make a connection with someone working there and start ordering the parts.
diana_coman: good.
whaack: diana_coman: Misc questions: (1) The big item left that I have not decided on is a monitor. From my understanding the most important aspect is that it has a high refresh rate and has an adjustable height + a swivel to switch to document (portrait) view. Are there other traits I should look for? Is there any point to dual monitor?
diana_coman: whaack: the most important part is that you can fully adjust it to fit your setup ie so as to have a healthy position really; most current monitors now will probably be quite all right re refresh rate tbh; maybe anti-glare can help too; re dual monitor it all depends on your working style and if you don't yet know if you need that, then you ..don't need it yet.
diana_coman: fwiw I never really got along with multiple monitors, it's enough I have to stare at ONE screen; but a reasonably big screen is useful.
whaack: diana_coman: I use to use two monitors... but then I read a thread in #t a while back that talked about how you can't focus on two documents at once anyways so dual monitors really just give another hotkey to alt-tab by moving your eyes.
diana_coman: that's pretty much it, yes; that being said, it is true that I do have another monitor in the room but ...not on the same desk, not for the same machines and not meant to be used at the same time; given as you are just building your first computer there, I really don't see why you'd need more than 1 monitor
diana_coman: (fwiw I even have several computers connected to *same* monitor in one setup).
whaack: diana_coman: (2) Question two is should I get an anti-static kit or should I just find a strategy / household item solution to keep myself grounded while working on the machine?
diana_coman: hm, is that a problem there?
diana_coman: I never bothered really for everyday work as such.
diana_coman: that being said, it's not a big deal to ground yourself either way.
diana_coman: so get one if you want one, what.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, whaack : modern irons have fairly good static discharge protection internally. unless your hygrometer's usually below ~30%, you don't need 1990s-style antistatics .
diana_coman: asciilifeform put it more plainly above, yes.
whaack: I didn't think it'd be a problem in CR, but I wanted to double check my basic understanding of static electricity was not off by a negative sign
diana_coman: whaack: talking of which, you should at least know a bit about your indoors environment esp re humidity for sure.
whaack: brb
whaack: diana_coman: I will add tools used to obtain awareness of my surroundings to the list of items for the next hardware store trip. Hygrometer (learned about that device today from asciilifeform's msg) and barometer are the first that come to mind. I will also try to get a wind-direction device (for surfing, i admit). Are there some others I should add?
whaack: and thermometer, of course :D
diana_coman: heh; works.
diana_coman: won't suggest an astrolabe, lol.
jfw: diana_coman: been struggling with getting thoughts together for the writing this morning. Word count isn't quite there but I'll publish.
diana_coman: jfw: all right.
asciilifeform: whaack: i have a cheapo min/max-tracking thermo/hygrometer in erry room which i inhabit or in which store valuable equip. rec to erryone.
asciilifeform: whaack: re: >1 display -- must agree w/ diana_coman , folx who don't have a pre-existing serious reason for >1 display, oughta stick w/ buying 1 high quality screen
jfw: Recursive loop analogies... you know how I think!
jfw: gah, paste fail.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-22#1011078 - was glad to hear it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-22 03:49:10 diana_coman: jfw: you are quite spot-on with that comment!
diana_coman: jfw: you're welcome.
diana_coman: jfw: how's the work on the wallet going?
whaack: diana_coman: so... I come in shame to admit a fuckup. After contacting bestcomputersa I learned that what they list on their website has nothing to do with what they have in stock. If I were to categorize this fuckup I would say it is an example of throwing a pebble. Because their site said they had the product available I pretended I could move forward with that assumption. I will be slow to respond for a bit, I am stating this no
whaack: w so as to confess my sins immediately upon realizing them.
diana_coman: whaack: gah, mk; listen, they are not amazon and the like so *call* them.
jfw: diana_coman: going alright I think; though in working on time estimates, reviewing the code, and thinking further through the data structures and flow, I identified some details that weren't in the plan
diana_coman: heh; who could have predicted!!11
diana_coman: all right; do shout if it gets out of hand/in trouble though, ok?
jfw: I believe I predicted it myself! and will do.
diana_coman: cool.
whaack: diana_coman: certainly. The the correct course of action should have been seen then, and it is very easy to see now. They faltan the processor, motherboard, and video card. For processors they said they only carry the ryzen series now, but they do have an fx-8000.
hanbot: whaack ugh, what a pain. i can't help but feel a little culpable by way of steering you there --i've always bought from them in person, and didn't realize they were doing the whole "stock list --in theory" thing. when you call, you might ask 'em if they'll order parts *for* you.
whaack: hanbot: yes it's a pain but I should have shot them a quick email confirming they had the processor before picking the rest of the components around it. I have already spoken with them and they said they checked and their provider no longer has fx - 8350's

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