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lobbes: dorion: just to explicitly state it somewhere: I'm pulling off of tmsr os work for now while I sort out some other priorities.
whaack: s/around around/are around/
whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: I made some more progress setting up my comp, finishing eulora, installing gnat and gprbuild, and getting jfw's yrc client running. I spent a decent chunk of time on The Odyssey article since as mentioned I had nothing prepped from yesterday. I'm going to return to focusing on TheFleet tomorrow.
diana_coman: - are you some sort of nut? the site that does shit in your browser and "I only do this to see who does that", jeez.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-05 21:55:15 d41r: to see who asks what it is
diana_coman: - sounds ok.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-06 02:34:36 whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: I made some more progress setting up my comp, finishing eulora, installing gnat and gprbuild, and getting jfw's yrc client running. I spent a decent chunk of time on The Odyssey article since as mentioned I had nothing prepped from yesterday. I'm going to return to focusing on TheFleet tomorrow.
diana_coman: thimbronion: since you seem to quite enjoy the qntra writing, maybe think of taking BingoBoingo's course then?
diana_coman: dorion: why's that Ode to Joy article late since you already recorded the piece anyway?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-05 15:15:46 dorion: finally, recorded the harmonica piece, ode to joy, last night.
diana_coman: dorion: it's rather impossible to follow there too since there was the draft of tmsor dependencies page due Tuesday meanwhile moved to Friday, the draf conf presentation that is hanging somewhere this week too, additional comments to publish supposedly, the ode to joy due yest and silently missed, the deaths article due today supposedly (though not that expectedly anymore ...
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-05 17:12:17 dorion: - Friday is feasible for the draft. I will want feedback, but it's not a big rush. people are working through backlogs already and trinque has a specification planned as part 5 of his series.
diana_coman: ... given the backlog), it's a whole list already.
diana_coman: is anything going to get done today?
diana_coman: whaack: comment in your modq
d41r: diana_coman:
diana_coman: d41r: do me a favour and paste it on, will you?
d41r: trinque:
d41r: shouldn't you change it too?
d41r: diana_coman: doesn't have an api
d41r: or does it?
diana_coman: d41r: you can send to it with your favourite script, it's basic http, not sure what are you after there.
diana_coman: need something more complicated for a paste?
d41r: nah, it's ok
BingoBoingo: curl, it's a tool
d41r: BingoBoingo: how do you get the server response with curl after POST?
BingoBoingo: iirc -d opens possibilities, but this is one of the things I'm not very strong with
d41r:'s api allows me to script the whole thing
d41r: on the other hand forces me to use a browser-like library that will refresh the "page" in order to get a response from the server
BingoBoingo: Ah "Expect: 100-continue"
d41r: oh, thanks, let me check that out
BingoBoingo will have to look into this. Apparently there's a -L flag for redirects and all sorts of knobs for going beyond the basics.
whaack: diana_coman: approved
diana_coman: spyked: can I have feedbot announce ossasepia articles in here too, please?
spyked: diana_coman, was just getting to some feedbot updates, I'll add it in a moment
diana_coman: spyked: yay, thank you!
diana_coman: whaack: thanks; do you know of the distinction I'm talking about in that comment?
whaack: diana_coman: as in the distinction of being vs doing? I thought there was no distinction, what you do defines who you are.
whaack: i am reading the links atm
spyked: diana_coman: aand done! yw
diana_coman: whaack: aha, read then, there's a lot to it.
d41r: BingoBoingo: # curl -si -X POST -F "pastebox=$MSG_TEXT" | grep Location | sed 's/Location: //'
whaack: diana_coman: alright i'm on it. a little trilema and a little ossasepia is a nice way to start the day. chewing on atm.
BingoBoingo: d41r: Nice, congrats
BingoBoingo: d41r: Anyways, the system comes with tools. Something I'm trying to work on myself is getting a better grasp of how to use those tools. It smooths the workflow and prevents constantly reinventing the wheel
d41r: what system?
BingoBoingo: d41r: Ones that aren't Windows
d41r: diana_coman:
diana_coman: d41r: heh, it took a whole one line to replace a full api you were looking for, right?
thimbronion: diana_coman: I will consider it. I have the flu or something like that today so I will be a bit unresponsive.
dorion: - yeah, I let it turn into a mess that's getting cleaned up today.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-06 04:19:54 diana_coman: is anything going to get done today?
d41r: what are you guys working on?
diana_coman: d41r: taking over the world!
diana_coman: see the blogs, people are writing there about what they are doing, no?
diana_coman: d41r: what are you working on and/or where do you write about it?
d41r: i do not write
diana_coman: and you do not answer; and you do not talk either; so dunno, what do you want from being here?
d41r: what? i do answer
d41r: and talk
diana_coman: d41r: selectively, lol
d41r: well, i'm shy, ok?
d41r: right now i'm writing this script to facilitate sending and receiving gpg messages
diana_coman: d41r: there is some tension between convenience and protecting your private key, you know?
d41r: what do you mean?
diana_coman: your private key is your identity around here because think of it, how can anyone know it's "you" ?
d41r: don't you like the script? is that what you mean?
d41r: i don't think it poses any risk to private keys
diana_coman: d41r: what I mean is exactly what I say: there's that tension and it seems you don't even realise it.
d41r: why do you assume that?
diana_coman: what assumption do you think I'm making?
d41r: that i don't even realising such obvious thing
d41r: *i'm not
diana_coman: ah, all right then, good for you.
diana_coman: see, it's enough to say it and I'll gladly correct.
diana_coman: d41r: what do you think poses a risk to private keys?
BingoBoingo: d41r: I'm going to assume you've been indoctrinated with the "anonymity good" fashion popular in other parts, so I'm going to ask you age in a low resolution way. Are you a zoomer, millenial, gen X-er, boomer, or ancient
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I wouldn't be able to answer that question myself, lolz.
diana_coman: he could just give it in whatever interval he's fine with, numbers are still numbers.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: lol, that's a point
diana_coman: d41r: don't be shy, there's no need for it.
d41r: ok, done, I hope it helps someone some day
diana_coman: d41r: well, being on a paste, it will be gone in 24 hours or so, you know? otoh if you had a blog and wrote it there, it would stay there and maybe indeed be of some use to someone some day; why pass on your own work accumulating benefits for yourself?
d41r: (i'm afraid i know what the answer will look like but..) what about git?
diana_coman: d41r: git means it's someone else who gets the accumulated benefit of your work such as it is, you know?
diana_coman: d41r: are you really looking for someone to own you ?
d41r: isn't that the case with a blog as well?
diana_coman: d41r: if it's *yours*, how can it be?
d41r: what do you mean by "yours"? i'll have to host it somewhere ,right?
d41r: or you mean gpg signing every new entry?
diana_coman: d41r: hosting it somewhere simply means that you rent some space for it; how does that make it not yours? if something happens, you move somewhere else.
d41r: isn't that the same with git hosting services?
diana_coman: d41r: V patches are signed and for good reasons; but otherwise no, I don't mean signing all text.
d41r: mm ok
diana_coman: d41r: no, it's not the same.
diana_coman: because you do not have any control over github and moreover you are effectively the goat in that pen or how you prefer to put it
d41r: for example, i get sick of microsoft ruinning github, i can migrate pretty easily my repo to or
diana_coman: d41r: but more directly: why are you so much against actually owning /controlling anything?
diana_coman: d41r: ie you go from one pen to another and that's ok because god forbid you actually ever make your own house where you get to be the master, is that the idea?
d41r: i do own my repo, on my computer, the "host" (in this case or whichever i upload to) is only a mirror/hub
diana_coman: ah, you are fine to own, just as long as it's in private ie nobody can really care about it?
d41r: well, that's a good point
d41r: writing about what you do makes your work become popular eventually (or not, if it sucks)
diana_coman: d41r: there's even more benefit than just that really.
d41r: and even if it doesn't become popular, it's good having feedback
diana_coman: d41r: after all, think you found this place here; would you have found it you think if I and everyone else around here kept our stuff private because reasons?
diana_coman: yes, feedback, getting to know people you actually might want to know and/or work with, and that's still just for starters.
d41r: there are things that i prefer to stay private, but whatever i work on, i'm fine with letting the world know
diana_coman: d41r: what/why are you not fine with having your own site for showcasing it though?
d41r: i'm fine with that, yeah
diana_coman: so set it up and let me know url + ip, I'll come and visit, what.
d41r: i plan to publish a website on a decentralized platform that i'm working on, based on ipfs and blockchain
diana_coman: oh dear
diana_coman: d41r: is that OTR plugin something you work/worked on?
d41r: (why did i know that you weren't gonna like it)
diana_coman: possibly because I have clear causes for my likes and dislikes, did it occur to you?
diana_coman: heh
d41r: no, OTR is pretty standard stuff, it's old tech actually, people are moving to more recent developments like Old and Megolm
d41r: OMEMO still has some traction
diana_coman: ahahaha
d41r: I like OTR more because it's truly end-to-end
diana_coman: obviously
diana_coman: d41r: does that "move to more recent developments" ring absolutely no problem bells for you?
d41r: absolutely yes
d41r: i mean, i hate Matrix, for example, and ipfs to some extent
d41r: ipfs however does what i need, gonna use it until something better appears
diana_coman: d41r: uhm, I'm happily ignorant of any need to use ipfs or whatever other similars.
d41r: newer/frequently-updated doesn't mean "good"
d41r: bittorrent? ipfs is similar
diana_coman: d41r: nevertheless you seem very much in the know with the newer stuff and that takes time and resources so ..why spend them there at all.
diana_coman: I still don't see the need, lol.
d41r: well, that's true, it takes a lot of time, and it is tiresome some times
diana_coman: d41r: so...don't do it, you know? nothing to gain, lots to lose; and there's no single second of your own time that you'll ever get back.
diana_coman: d41r: are you 30+ by any chance?
d41r: it doesn't matter, don't be an ageist ^^
diana_coman: d41r: it fits your actions and outlook, it's not about ageist.
diana_coman: and do note that "don't be an x-ist" is such a poor cover that it's almost sad really.
d41r: diana_coman:
diana_coman: d41r: do you plan on sending me a string of gpg-grams?
d41r: ehe, encrypted with your public key, you can decrypt it
diana_coman: sure I *can*; question is ...why should I?
d41r: you may choose not to, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, hehe
diana_coman: d41r: how is it a risk?
diana_coman: and seriously, my question above is genuine; while I'm open and willing to talk to you to find such reasons, I'm not going now to decrypt everything everyone throws at me, why would I.
d41r: don't do it if you don't wish, no worries
diana_coman: can't say I follow your reasoning there but...ok.
d41r: how to get my key listed there?
diana_coman: d41r: if you registered your key with deedbot it will get there, it just takes some time until it updates the site.
d41r: ok, I'll wait the most serenly.
diana_coman: well, you can fret if you prefer.
d41r: ^^

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