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dorion: hi tanami
diana_coman: - dorion, tbh *the* most helpful change was that of myself - unsurprisingly but also not quick nor easily passed on unfortunately; in practical terms though and probably more along the lines of the sort of answer you were looking for, there were several strategies that I gradually developed for myself and worked (and I'd choose one or another depending a lot on context and ...
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-27 17:33:21 dorion: - what did you find were the most helpful changes ?
diana_coman: ... people involved, how else); if I were to attempt now a listing I'd say, in order from the least-flexible end: there's no free, only discounted (initially heavy, gradually or abruptly on no-shows less heavily discounted) time-expenditure; there's a deposit that gets reimbursed if nothing comes out of it/credited if closed/forfeited if no-show/less than 24 hours cancel notice; accept graciously one (ONE) ...
diana_coman: ... rescheduling/no-show/mess-up but move the approach down to one of the previous points for the next time then (this would be closest to your suggested approach I think); accept graciously ONE rescheduling/no-show/mess-up but make sure to redirect the rescheduled meeting in this case to a. a day and time of your choice not theirs and especially not their first suggestion or b. potentially convert instead to an invite to one of your ...
diana_coman: ... events (obv, you'd need to have such things & this is why I was saying this is several layers wide and deep); accept graciously ONE reschedule, make clear and explicit the trouble + the fact that you are indeed going out of your way to make *sure* the 2nd agreed-upon meeting is at a time&place that works perfectly for them because there will never be a third if the 2nd is messed up too.
diana_coman: hm, it got cut bc. stupid irssi never heard of more-than-one-breaks, ffs.
diana_coman: I guess I'll really have to fully check out jfw's client; on the list it goes.
diana_coman: back to it, let me repair it then:
diana_coman: ah, no, just slow logger; /me kicks the logger then.
diana_coman: - BingoBoingo, wouldn't you say that is what is needed?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-27 17:47:52 BingoBoingo: realizing through the revision of the plans that this is growing into a near, if not entirely complete operational reboot of Qntra.
diana_coman: whaack: tea also contains caffeine afaik, if in smaller quantities indeed; anyways, trouble starts not at caffeine but at addiction (or rather - at dependency); fwiw the fact that I drink very little coffee (and anyway I started drinking any of it only relatively recently) is simply because I literally did *not* need even more... alertness or how to put it; it took 1.5 years of at most 3 hours of sleep per night (and broken/not ...
diana_coman: ... continuous at that) to have any use for it (and by then it would have been too little, of course so ...)
diana_coman: sleep deprivation is a torture indeed, only for women it gets rebranded as joys of motherhood.
diana_coman: whaack: btw, try next week to get those EOD reports as comments on your plan on yh so they are in one place and you can go through them more easily at the end of the week too; since it seems the approach helps others too, I'm checking the comments in the morning anyway so I'll read it there just as well as here.
diana_coman: - BingoBoingo, this is significantly better, indeed; re-read it and revise it even qntra-style for clarity though (it's even visible where you warmed up there as the end is WAY clearer than the start); and you need to add more re offline venues & approaches + automation for non-blogs/commenting; re crawler and all that, I want to see already the first step (and nothing ...
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-27 19:34:12 BingoBoingo: presents next draft of the plan
diana_coman: ... further for now, just do THAT one first step properly and without worrying about everything else on that front at once).
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Ty, the reboot is indeed what's needed. I'll give it that re-read and hammer that first step.
diana_coman: dorion: ahaha, I had a look at that drucker book and it has some really funny gems in there; do be careful what and how you take out of it, as it's so narrowly stuck in a very specific self-selected sliver of artificial-reality (sounds american to me but regardless) that you risk importing nonsense too along any useful exercises/practice you might get, hm.
dorion: diana_coman thanks for detailing, I like the deposit idea. on the events end, we were discussing just this week with one of our clients to do more regular events. we'll hold them at his office and we'll both send invites to our respective networks.
dorion: diana_coman re drucker, you had a look at "the effective executive" ? I have been conscious about keeping perspective and separating the good from bad. he was Austrian, but lived from his mid twenties in America. from what I've read, he's used examples from the UK and Japan, but there is for sure a big focus on American business and major corps at that since afaik he had the most exposure to those
dorion: in his consulting.
whaack: diana_coman: sheesh 3 disjointed hours of sleep for 1.5years... Maybe I'm too much of a princess when it comes to getting a good night's sleep. Re the caffeine addiction, yes the main problem is I have a dependency on my routine 2 cups of coffee in the morning. Yesterday I had a consistent light headache that was possibly from withdrawal.
dorion: whaack caffeine is one of the hardest to kick afaiu. I regularly take ginger tea. dice up the roots and boil with both cinnamon and lemon. I'd expect the roots to be plentiful and cheap by your beach.
whaack: dorion: nice, i put the ingredients on the shopping list
dorion: whaack with that being said, I'll join in on the week long break from caffeine with you.
whaack: dorion: good to hear, that's extra motivation to stick to my resolution
whaack: diana_coman: and ack, eod reports from now on will be posted as comments on my plans for the week.
diana_coman: - so whose events are those then exactly?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-28 14:44:35 dorion: diana_coman thanks for detailing, I like the deposit idea. on the events end, we were discussing just this week with one of our clients to do more regular events. we'll hold them at his office and we'll both send invites to our respective networks.
diana_coman: dorion: re drucker yes, "the effective executive"; it's not as much the examples themselves (those are indeed including some from UK and Japan) but more a. the environment and approach he pushes/has in mind/builds on&for b. the obliviousness (whether on purpose or out of ignorance I can't tell but it doesn't matter) to the roots of both what he sees and what he pushes.
diana_coman: I guess I'll need to write up the notes now, huh.
dorion: diana_coman they will be at his office. when we present we will be a joint host and promote through our own channels. on our side, I'll publish blog articles in advance and send to my contacts.
diana_coman: - well, I certainly do NOT recommend that sort of sleep deprivation to anyone, no; in between that extreme and leisurely 8h+ every night of blissful sleep, there's of course a lot of space, lol.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-28 14:52:24 whaack: diana_coman: sheesh 3 disjointed hours of sleep for 1.5years... Maybe I'm too much of a princess when it comes to getting a good night's sleep. Re the caffeine addiction, yes the main problem is I have a dependency on my routine 2 cups of coffee in the morning. Yesterday I had a consistent light headache that was possibly from withdrawal.
diana_coman: dorion: so they are effectively a joint-event, explicitly organised by his biz & jwrd, right?
dorion: diana_coman yes, at least when we present. he'll likely have other events where either he's presenting or even other clients of his (the bulk of his business deals with multinationals). we could push to sponsor the latter, but haven't discussed with him what that would look like.
diana_coman: dorion: wait, what do you mean exactly by "events" in "to do more regular events" and "he'll likely have other events" - are you doing presentation(s)~=event there?
dorion: diana_coman sorry for the confusion. on the one hand, we'll present several times, but he'll also have other people present on topics. on the other hand, one take away I had from the conference experience is we should do it again in a couple months now that a) we've got the presentations and venue and b) several people didn't attend due to travel.
dorion: apart from presentations, last year I organized several happy hours where I invited people with expressed interest in Bitcoin.
diana_coman: dorion: myeah but see, that's not your event, that's the thing; you are basically making his numbers and serving his audience there which mhm, fine but not fully serving your purpose really.
diana_coman: dorion: what's the trouble anyway with aiming and having your own "conference" or whatever? not like you can't rent a room.
diana_coman: you can invite him to present, sure; returning the favour afterwards and all that.
dorion: diana_coman there isn't a trouble in hosting our own. in fact, the other guys that presented don't want to hold another until next year. so it mainly comes down to putting it together.
diana_coman: dorion: how did those happy hours go, did most people show up, were they interested, why not focus on growing those if you are not yet sure you have enough to make a conference work ? (though remembering that focus on "exclusivity", it can't be a problem)
diana_coman: dorion: so then what, the admin work, you mean?
diana_coman: there can be a lot of admin work, sure, but there are also event organisers /rooms usually don't come just bare walls and bring your chairs from home (or hm, maybe they do in Panama?); there is still a lot of work on getting the people you want to actually come etc so yes, that part is to be considered well, but really it's that part only; and considered as in "what does this bring for jwrd and therefore is this worth doing?", not ...
diana_coman: ... otherwise.
dorion: diana_coman we did focus on the exclusivity for the happy hours and ended up with about 50% attendance.
diana_coman: dorion: question is - was it the *useful* 50%?
dorion: diana_coman well I didn't invite the useless, lol. having someone rsvp then not show was a bit annoying on the one hand, but a cheap test on the other.
diana_coman: dorion: wider though, the question basically has at root the - what's your growth and development strategy there?
diana_coman: dorion: you can't invite the useful, only the promising, you know? and it's not your fault or anything, lol
diana_coman: and yes, quite a cheap test at that, indeed.
dorion: diana_coman good distinction re useful and promising. the strategy was to focus on the relationship development. now we're in a better position to make them more useful because we've done more the set ourselves up. the last happy hour I did was the beginning of november prior to traveling.
dorion: re relationship development, have regular meetings/conversation with promising people to establish some trust and provide a solid basis to bring in more people.
diana_coman: dorion: ok; iirc from your published business plan you have a clear profile of the sort of people that are promising so that's good; do you have also concrete ways to evaluate those meetings/conversations/invites even? and for that matter competitors, market, all that jazz?
dorion: diana_coman I've not written out an evaluation methodology, no.
dorion: I've thought about it, but should write and publish it, both for myself and to show the invitees.
diana_coman: dorion: it doesn't have to be some full-blown 10 pages monstrosity; but you do need to have for yourself some way of evaluating because otherwise you can't really increase the focus on what delivers the results you are after; esp when it's meetings and talks and conversations and so on, it's very easy to end up dragged about everywhere for as long as you have any free hour for it but at the end of the day what matters is what really ...
diana_coman: ... came out of it whether short, medium or long-term, whether deal or strategic advantage etc.
dorion: diana_coman yeah, set expectations both for myself and the people attending.
diana_coman: dorion: you will never have the time to go/talk/be everywhere for sure but the good news is that anyway that's not needed as such really; on one hand it might make it way easier to make everyone *come* to you where & when you are and for the other, you want to filter the ocean so you do need some working tools or you'll just exhaust yourself.
dorion: diana_coman yeah, that was the idea of hosting. both that I get to see many people at once and that they associate me with introducing them to interesting people.
jfw: In filtering tools on the tech training side:
diana_coman: dorion: so then think and write down some steps & aims for that, implement to build it up, make sure there's time for it even at the expense of talks/meetings otherwise and talk/write/ask more to help you with it if/as needed.
diana_coman: jfw: now I realised how long it's been since I suffered through any sort of school, lolz.
jfw: - I'd be interested for sure; the book seems influential in our local circles so if there's poison to be noted, might be of value to more than just dorion & me
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-28 15:25:07 diana_coman: I guess I'll need to write up the notes now, huh.
diana_coman: jfw: do you plan/need to distribute those or why that format?
dorion: jfw nice on the placement test.
jfw: diana_coman: as opposed to more of an interview? The idea is to have something reusable
jfw: I can see it being ...daunting
jfw: but also supposed to be pretty easy if you know the stuff
diana_coman: jfw: no, as opposed to an actual task to do I guess.
diana_coman: I had to fight the initial eyes glazing-over effect but that's possibly me-and-filling-forms, so not necessarily your trouble there.
dorion: jfw yeah, apart from a few I completed in the time it took to read.
diana_coman: and yeah, it's easy if you know the stuff; it's probably "wtf is a...process??" if you don't, lol.
jfw: I do think a hands-on sort of puzzle would be a good addition; it'll need some thought.
dorion: jfw agree re puzzle addition, but reckon this'll suffice for today.
whaack: diana_coman: My revised outline for learning the command line
diana_coman: jfw: you might want afterwards to give the test at the end to your pupils too, esp if they took it in the beginning and found it hard, heh.
jfw: whaack, re caffeine: I quit cold turkey a couple years back (& stayed off for maybe a year). Withdrawal symptoms lasted to some extent for about a week; I'd just suggest being prepared to give yourself some slack - possibly lengthy surprise naps, basic painkillers for headaches, eating well
diana_coman: whaack: it's combinatorially without c in the middle, lol; because it's from combinations not categories nor combinategories !
diana_coman reads further
jfw: diana_coman: for sure.
diana_coman: whaack: eh, what am I here, the universal librarian? "as with learning all things, focus on understanding what and how and why it is and does", lol
jfw: whaack: there's a detail to note with 'getent hosts' in what it does different from the other examples that could make it give a different result - I suppose I should let you figure out what.
diana_coman: whaack: the "do not X" is at most a footnote really; while that specific do not is relevant to you and possibly others, if you start listing all the do NOTs, you'll end up with a mighty tome.
diana_coman: whaack: it's certainly better; the why is a bit disjointed/not clear if you know what you are going to say there really (ie why is the piping one level below one cmd at a time and not on the same level?)
diana_coman: the how to sounds like you don't really have all that clear learning strategies in place, huh.
whaack: diana_coman: aha yeah, well its come to my attention that my process of obtaining knowledge is quite broken
diana_coman: sure, all you say there is fine and useful to do,yes, read the man pages, always think with your own brain when reading something even if it's written by God himself, do practice, do read other people's scripts etc
diana_coman: but hm
diana_coman: whaack: also, why do *you* want to learn cmd line tools?
diana_coman: why is that missing from there anyway, it's your own personal blog
diana_coman: I'd say have a good look at it and see if you can think of more to add in there, then go ahead and write it up, at least to see how the writing turns out on this sort of skeleton.
diana_coman needs to go now.
jfw: In other news, a gbw transaction escapes into the wild:
jfw: (sadface for not having republican block explorer to link there.)
jfw: From this exercise I learned some ugly history I didn't know from the era of Gavin's turn to the dark side, , which may indicate some minor tweaks to the fee/change logic.
jfw: (basically, if you send an output with value under $magicnumber, 0.8.2+ considers it dust spam regardless of fee.)
whaack: diana_coman: tbh I have a concern that the reason I want to learn the cmd line tools is in part because I enjoy solving little puzzles. Otherwise I would say I want to learn them because I see them as a means to increase my productivity and I guess also (this could be added to my list of whys) as a way to learn about topics such as networking and how various parts of a computer work (tools can
whaack: shed light on how the hardware is designed)
BingoBoingo stepping back from hammering on Qntra plan to let eyes freshen and hammer out note on US stock market indexes taking biggest weekly loss since 2008.
whaack: jfw: congrats on the gbw transaction, and with a baked in advertisement as well!

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