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trinque: ah hell no.
trinque: << this might actually be the correct item.
mp_en_viaje: and that they're certainly ill advised to deputize presumably their more active set to go on some kind of dubmass expedition through the remains.
trinque: I think they can do all sorts of things with or without me.
mp_en_viaje: ~that~ is what i'm signalling ; and that that's what i'm doing along with that i have to do it is self-fucking-obvious on the extant record, wut!
trinque: but gentoo's a piece of shit. if it's not apparent why, I'll definitely have to say why.
mp_en_viaje: so then there's no disconnect on this score.
trinque: recall the mod6 derpitude, "my trusty gentoo" and all that.
trinque: like it's his neckbeard katana
mp_en_viaje: vaguely
mp_en_viaje: << look, it's very fucking simple : there are 62 cities in the world larger than houston ; of the 4.5mn living there about 300k own more than a million dubaloos' worth. if you go from nothing to 1mn dubaloos, you go from nothing to being in the top 300k pantsuits in pantsuit conglomeration #62.
mp_en_viaje: nobody cares, it's not like i'm particularly threatened by the notion god help me ; but if you quit your day job to spend a decade or whatever's left of your active live becoming the 285`666th most popular singer-songwriter in the 63rd most popular genre AND you also expect someone will drop what they're doing to clap for you... you're insane, in so many words.
mp_en_viaje: what, you think i'm hobby police over here ? go, win the fishing competition, be the greatest pitcher on diamond #8, municipal sportscourt #11 etcetera. just, again, if you stop showing up for work because THAT's what you're doing, you're off your rocker, for srsly.
mp_en_viaje: paintsuit world is as fine a hobby as any other hobby, and what the fuck's wrong with having hobbies now. but if you stop distinguishing between vocation and avocation, if the hobby takes over activity as a sort of parasite, it's not ME "declaring" you an otaku. i'm like the coroner in that sad context, nobody died because the coroner pronounced them dead. at the time the coroner showed up, the deed was long done.
trinque: we don't disagree on that point either; I don't give a shit how many funnybux I have.
trinque: the only context in which I brought it up was getting pissed at alf that I couldn't have a chip, and w/e.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but nobody knows what the fuck you're either thinking or doing, because you don't express yourself neither consistently nor well. so we're stuck guessing. i'm trying to do as good a job of it as possible, but god fucking help me it's my least favourite activity.
mp_en_viaje: << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: it's not much as it stands, but i do believe they've targetted exceptionally well, and might perhaps be able to execute also. maybe even surive to iterate. in any case i intend to help them, within reason.
trinque: I've been in that business. It's hard, wish them well.
mp_en_viaje: the exceptional part goes from being peripherally connected to the wealth management consulting behemoth, it's what he did in panama.
mp_en_viaje: but yes, putting the above 20 log lines (in context-adequate form) under the eyes of a few hundred thousand pantsuits in fifty or a hundred pantsuit congomerations is not a half-bad plan.
mp_en_viaje: "soo... well done on the 50mn exit. now, why are you at walmart with a credit card, in the same outfit as the single mother over there with her govt-issued scrip ? you know the same social worker can cut your access that gives her the electronic meal ticket, yes ?"
trinque: that escape bridge might be extremely lucrative, yeah.
mp_en_viaje: whether it ends up working or not, is however not a fair description of what's going on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:40:37 trinque: and this retort that real men manifest food with sheer will, great. there's nothing actionable in that comment.
trinque: if the gents have somehow managed to communicate to the "offshore money" crowd that computing infrastructure matters, that'll definitely be something.
trinque: the oil folks are all dipshits, and the fraud's a feature. they don't want it.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but meanwhile i had an exceptional aged steak yest, and then retired for a glass of port, coffee, sweets and a cigarette. you understsnd this, if i ask for an ashtrey at this poshest place in town, THEY FUCKING BRING ME ONE.
mp_en_viaje: contrary to the pantsuit fantasy, "this is everywhere" does not hold. there's a lot of power to be put behind the "you're fucking stupid, amerikanski" in very simple exemplar form.
mp_en_viaje: in the end, nobody fucking cares what the hillbillies are used to. experience shows time and again the young female;s willing to move on, and with her the whole fucking world moves, from outhouse to indoor plumbing arrangements, and so on.
trinque: last thing I begrudge is your success, and I'm well aware that at 32 so far I've knocked down middle class walmart retirement.
trinque: this is pretty squarely the point.
mp_en_viaje: not a point of my success ; the point is -- yes i'm aware texas oil money is rather... ok, your term, dipshits.
mp_en_viaje: but i don't think that situation is self-perpetuating.
mp_en_viaje: notwithstanding it managed to do so for a shocking century.
mp_en_viaje: the nile also flooded every year, in a regular process that seemed to most everyone, certainly everyone in the ancient world, fundamental. yet it wasn't fundamental ; i twasn't even self-perpetuating. as it turns out, the nile's stopped flooding altogether, it's been decades.
mp_en_viaje: i guess the converse statement's that im some kind of half-baked optimist. but anyways.
trinque: the strangest thing is when you're calling me the asshole
trinque: it really gives me pause
trinque: :D
mp_en_viaje: wait what
trinque: just making jokes over here.
mp_en_viaje: as the romanian expression goes, am ris si cu curu'.
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, the only google reference is... a trilema piece. god help us, it's true mp will always return a "wait, what ?!" moment, but...
mp_en_viaje: it means "i laughed with the ass also"
trinque: lol
trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
mp_en_viaje: << you know, my slaves meet the "found item, chiseled". not thereby owned ? or is it animism magic, "rule only applies to non-sluts" ? this'll be a hard argument, objectification of women and all that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:42:43 trinque: and a found item with TMSR chizeled in it is not thereby owned
trinque: this I would actually like to know.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, do you recall that time asciilifeform couldn't get a ro lawyer to talk to him over gpg ?
trinque: shitty lawyer. I even got my accountant to use
mp_en_viaje: my understanding is that they're basically fixing that : giving the guy the laptop's evidently not enough (i gave mine one when i left ro), it needs to be supported culturally / with habits, mental and otherwise
mp_en_viaje: trinque, he's romanian, whole different kettle of fish.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, that's what they seem to be doing, "here's the hardware, here's the mental floss slash bible, here's the daily prayers rules regulation and prayerbook", a complete package like that.
trinque: it's a start.
trinque: where do they keep the records though.
mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident their plan as it stands is missing the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and this is the congregation", but that can be discovered in time
trinque: I bet all that's shockingly primitive
mp_en_viaje: i guess they explain this when they wake up.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, it seems all very neoprotestant ("compile your own bible out of letters found around the house!!) which my rather catholic description doesn't do justice to. but it's just summary, i don't mean to rule by misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: << this "he doesn't need you" thing is such nonsense. i also don't need any other of the things, what the hell, since when it's a needs-based economy.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:24:08 trinque: nicolewhatever: and by the way, repeating your master's opinion for him says very little. I heard him; he doesn't need you going "ayyyyyy", but good girl all the same.
mp_en_viaje: if want the bitches to express themselves or not express themselves, in the end ? it's gotta be one, can't be both.
trinque: see, I'm the fucking misogynist over here!
mp_en_viaje: not like you have to be!
trinque: at any rate, folks that are handling money overseas for clients are obviously a target.
trinque: they're using shockingly primitive accounting tooling, shockingly primitive processes for e.g. wire authorizations and all the rest
trinque: most importantly they're rolling in cash.
mp_en_viaje: the actual important part is that "the industry" is looking for recovery after the whole "panama papers" etc circus.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, as it happens there DOES exist exactly one jurisdiction where they can move to, after being betrayed by all the toy pretend-states.
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deedbot: jfw rated mircea_popescu 5 << Father & overlord of the Most Serene Republic. Reads ~everything worth the mention and writes in abundance at
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deedbot: jfw rated BingoBoingo 3 << Aaron Rogier:,, moved abroad to start ISP, knowledgeable on diverse topics, responsible custodian of computing equipment. Met in person Dec 2019.
deedbot: jfw rated diana_coman 5 <<, long-time Trilema scholar, develops Eulora, knowledgeable on computing, writing & other topics; committed to seeing things for what they are & solving the right problems. My mentor & Master at Young Hands Club.
deedbot: jfw rated asciilifeform 2 << Stanislav Datskovskiy,, seeks the Right Thing in all matters even if it would take ten lifetimes. Has honored promises in commerce in my experience.
deedbot: jfw rated dorion 6 << Robinson Dorion, close friend & business partner, known since Jan 2014. Studious and dedicated. Writes at
deedbot: jfw rated trinque 2 << Knowledgeable on system administration, Lisp, Bitcoin. Develops & operates deedbot, holding its wallet keys. Writes occasionally at
jfw: mp_en_viaje: thanks for those blog comments btw, looking forward to a proper read + catching up on the juicy looking log here in the coming days. I see dorion_road's and my venture was discussed just above; I'll give him the first word as I believe he's more up to date here.
mp_en_viaje: take yer time
mp_en_viaje: how derange did BingoBoingo end up, after years in the crazed orclands btw ?
jfw: No derangement that I was able to detect.
mp_en_viaje: guy's got fortitude, huh.
mp_en_viaje: dat midwestern stock, apparently they can live through anything.
jfw: But possible that's because I've been in crazed orclands longer
mp_en_viaje: ha, that's a point huh.
diana_coman: - heh, my first line on hearing of the training they give their clients was precisely how long until they find their way to here
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 00:44:23 mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident their plan as it stands is missing the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and this is the congregation", but that can be discovered in time
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-15 diana_coman: - heh, how long until they register a key and find their way in here?
mp_en_viaje: word.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in linear improvements : i'm thinking of setting up #trilema to forward the useless / idle / etcetera to the feeder chans. apparently freenode has support for this, in that in setting a ban one can also specify a channel wherein the banned to be dumped.
mp_en_viaje: so what i'm thinking is, what if deedbot set a ban on any nick it sees unvoiced for >1hr, setting the forward channel alternatively #ossasepia and #trilema-hanbot on it ?
mp_en_viaje: this'll prolly need management in the sense that i suspect the banlist is limited, so after a few of these it'd be stuck expiring the oldest ban to enact a new one, meaning it'll need a round buffer of them.
mp_en_viaje: so specifically trinque is this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour too short a time ? other comments ?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, << here, have a "could be worse"
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha; and designer overalls, lmao; the exquisite sheep worming attiree.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything; tbh only the other day I had a look at the list of names and picked RubenSomsen to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now through the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the only potential trouble I see with your proposed model is when the new voice model is implemented since my pageboys will not be able to hang around here at all anymore.
mp_en_viaje: why not ?
diana_coman: they won't be able to self-voice and then what, someone has to voice them every hour or they end up kicked to one of the other chans?
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose the !!up could be perhaps permanent ie until a !!down
diana_coman: rather than 30 minutes thing.
mp_en_viaje: what a can of worms
mp_en_viaje: so for one thing, if you're not willing to rate them enough so they can voice, why should they idle here ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ugh, what??? the new model is that only those rated by you with 9 can self-voice, no?
diana_coman: what do you want me to rate them as?
diana_coman: or at any rate, those rated by you.
diana_coman: not me.
mp_en_viaje: for the other thing, the original reason the thing was set to auto-devoice in 30 minutes was to avoid the burden of hostility upon the devoicer, and the situation of voice inflation, where randos have it just as good as actual people, like thios were athens or something.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i thought the model was that those rated by my as 9 are on the list of ratings deedbot looks at to establish l2
diana_coman goes to re-read the new self-voice model, maybe missed something.
mp_en_viaje: so i rate 9 = l1 ; l1 rates 2 or above = l2.
diana_coman: if that's the case, then there is no problem indeed since yes, they would still be able to self-voice for sure; in my mind it was that only your l1 can self-voice, hm.
mp_en_viaje: that seems silly
mp_en_viaje: iirc that was discussed re flexibility for ~other~ chans, which is how the 9 came about, "just don't rate people 9 if you don't want a l1/l2 in your chan"
mp_en_viaje goes to re-read also, by now it's bee na while
diana_coman: now I see it; I read depedent on ~my~ wot and I didn't get it was just moving the centre but keeping the l2 as well, hm.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if they wanna.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose i should prolly write a proper article about this, seems it's unhelpfully all over the logs ?
diana_coman: it is really because that's the start but then it gets discussed and the different values talked about and so on; so yes, I for one would very much prefer to have an article as ref.
mp_en_viaje: might as well
feedbot: << Trilema --
BingoBoingo: << I imagine a bit of both are at play.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:11:06 mp_en_viaje: ha, that's a point huh.

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