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hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo cool. on the irc channel directions, consider including webchat links with the channels pre-filled ie https://webchat.freenode.net/?channel=#agriculturalsupremacy since new folks sometimes seem to have trouble with that step
diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: as I read those past few days through nicoleci's struggle and your help, it strikes me that quite a few things are - unsurprisingly - those that others in #o went through already; the fresh eyes above is a point in case, I kept hammering at; it's more of a bit of surprise for me in that I don't know now: is it that nicoleci hasn't read #o / yh and so didn't see any of those before or is it that she didn't yet have ...
diana_coman: ... a use for them when she read, so they didn't register?
hanbot_abroad: diana_coman i think she reads #o, as she's brought things up from there in offline conversation now and then...i'll let her answer tho', for who can truly know the inner working's of another's etc.
diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: indeed; I was searching just now for the exact step-by-step on the writing and I think it was in a comment on yh; so possibly that's the thing, some specifics ended up there and possibly get ever more deeply burried too, hm.
hanbot_abroad: #o/yh/pages' blogs/comments are all pretty sturdily connected; if you're going to read something, gotta read it and follow through on all its branches, i don't think there's anything out of sense&reason there.
hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo: your opening would suggest you're only interested in good journalists with writing skills to improve, not good writers with journalism skills to improve. is that actually true? there's nothing about finding a story, choosing a story, if x topic is interesting beyond it's being information. why explicitly spell out everything else but leave this (i'd think, anyway) centrally important part undiscussed?
hanbot_abroad: if you're going to guide people to create a gpg key etc, with the idea in mind that this is their first exposure, i'd say a guide for encrypting their submissions is also warranted; stating it as a requirement without a word about what it is (or why it's important/required) probably isn't of much use.
hanbot_abroad: section seven in the formatting guidelines could use an explanation (prolly via footnote!) as to the usage of footnotes/parens...i dunno how widespread our familiar double parens mechanism is, but i suspect it's not. (and there's no example of it in the example piece).
hanbot_abroad: you say "A block of text without any markup at all and a list of supporting links at the bottom is greatly preferred over one with an excess of markup." but then immediately give as example a piece with links marked up, inline. makes it unclear which you want.
hanbot_abroad: "... if the effort you put into markup approaches anything like what goes into reading, writing, and sourcing
hanbot_abroad: other'n that, i'd say the ending could use some sorta call to action/synthesis etc. as it is i'm left with the impression that markup (lack thereof) is the single greatest thing about qntra.
nicoleci: diana_coman, i do keep up with #o and enjoy doing so. i mentioned using fresh eyes in the third exposition piece on my blog due to my readings in #0. ill keep in mind to speak more on what lessons i'm taking away from yh.
nicoleci: it can sometimes be challenging to find things on yh (as the categories are the authors) but to hanbot_abroad's point thats when the structure becomes very useful if you've kept up with all the readings
hanbot_abroad: i suppose maybe what happens is that one's own challenges seem somehow particular/different given they're in your head, with all the trims and extra lighting and details, and it's tempting to imagine the potential solutions are thereby also going to be particular/different.
hanbot_abroad: i dunno if it applies nicoleci, but i know sometimes i've run into this thing myself where i seem to really want there to be a special (?!) rule for something i'm working through. often it's not even conscious, just something i weed out in later reflection.
nicoleci: exactly!
nicoleci: unfortunately, im not very good at catching the behavior in real-time. i think its getting somewhat better due to the amount of trustworthy resources that are available to me now.
diana_coman: nicoleci: hey, glad to hear you enjoy reading #o ! re yh categories - they are indeed to give each author their space within the whole; and moreover, there is the fact that no predefined structure of categories will fit really, but you can always search and just specify /limit the search to the site, you know?
nicoleci: yes, of course! i'm also not opposed to asking for help when stuck either.
diana_coman: do ask, certainly.
BingoBoingo: Thank you, It seems got the targeting flipped, writers looking to journalism seems the richer space. Definitely getting a revision, this draft was way too in my own head.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:06:34 hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo: your opening would suggest you're only interested in good journalists with writing skills to improve, not good writers with journalism skills to improve. is that actually true? there's nothing about finding a story, choosing a story, if x topic is interesting beyond it's being information. why explicitly spell out everything else but leave this (i'd think, anyway) centrally important part undiscussed?
BingoBoingo: I'll restructure and rewrite. This time for the audience, folks identifying as writers looking to polish their journalism.
BingoBoingo: And take two is up: http://qntra.net/write-for-qntra/

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