#ossasepia Logs for 24 Jul 2019

April 20th, 2020
diana_coman: shrysr: you do know that mp-wp has a html editor, right? (fwiw I never use the other one precisely because of wasting time formatting and clicking buttons) [02:30]
diana_coman: re mac : well, ~anything is a better option than windows, but what's that going to do; and note that it's not the price the problem either but the fact that you are *meant to not own* your stuff on either system [02:31]
diana_coman: fwiw I did have a mac laptop + a desktop some 10 years ago - they were slick and good to look at (to the point that I found some of it distracting when needing to work) and otherwise 3 times hotter and noisier than any other hardware of similar or even greater power [02:34]
diana_coman: and yes, almost all my computers around here are at least 10 years old (though none of them are macs) [02:34]
diana_coman: so: I'm not necessarily anti-mac, just saying that 1. it'll be a pain 2. you don't own it, it owns you [02:36]
diana_coman: re xml-rpc, I'll have a look but it's very likely that it "won't work" because your setup forces you into "latest only" ; a good time to note that *everything* has a cost and convenience often costs way more than you imagine [02:43]
diana_coman: note that just as it's convenient for you to upload your post using xmlrpc.php, so it's convenient for an attacker to use that same opening for DDOS and/or brute-force attack [02:46]
diana_coman: anyway, back to the original question: your post on your website says you *published on younghands.club* - hence my question, did you actually publish? or just intended but in the end not (then update the text!!) or what happened. [02:47]
shrysr: diana_coman: I updated the text right after seeing your message yesterday. http://s.ragavan.co/?p=51 [09:16]
shrysr: shrysr: Last week, I actually headed straight to younghands to publish.. then I realised I had to copy paste.. and then I thought what if I want to update the post - I'd have to do all that again. [09:23]
diana_coman: shrysr: "worth noting that Cloudflare offer the above for free" - you realise that there is nothing "for free" ever, do you. [09:28]
shrysr: yes. there is always a cost. they get access to any traffic to my site [09:29]
diana_coman: re posting: post on your blog since you made yourself one, sure; do backups and all that; maybe simply add 1-para summary + link on younghands.club; you get a link to your content and it's easier to follow anyway (+ you won't need to change *that*) [09:30]
diana_coman: eh, so "for free" my foot; basically there's nothing for free and if you don't know who pays, it's probably you being sold [09:31]
shrysr: :D [09:31]
diana_coman: in the spirit of "pillage+rape is good for a school anyway" I'm considering turning on even the xmlrpc thing [09:31]
diana_coman: at least if it's a pillage party, let's make it fully so [09:32]
shrysr: re: xml-rpc... :(( :( reading up now... did not even consider this. sucks. [09:32]
shrysr: re: summary + link on younghands ... yes. will do. thats a nice solution. [09:34]
diana_coman: heh, re dns, here's the reference for that: http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/ [09:37]
shrysr: diana_coman: how do you write your posts? Directly in the WP editor? I'm on younghands and see that clicking on the 'html' tab doesnt do anything, but when I save the draft, the text is then enclosed within html? [09:40]
diana_coman: shrysr: there, to test your comments too [09:41]
diana_coman: go to your admin dashboard and change also the links format to the saner date/title [09:42]
diana_coman: because this "p488" is not helping anyone [09:42]
diana_coman: hm, I usually write them offline in a text editor and then just plonk them in there; let me see maybe it's some artefact of that installation and/or your author's role [09:43]
diana_coman: shrysr: do you have both tabs visual/html? [09:44]
diana_coman: if you click on them, it should switch from one to another [09:44]
shrysr: yes I see both tabs. HTML is greyed out. presuming the visual mode is active - but there's just a text input box, with no formatting option. [09:45]
shrysr: and like i said nothing happens when i click on html [09:45]
diana_coman: so you click on html and it remains grayed out? [09:45]
shrysr: yes [09:45]
diana_coman: ugh; apparently it's to do with your account's role, I'll need to look at it [09:46]
shrysr: but when I save the draft - whatever text was in the box gets enclosed in html tags [09:46]
shrysr: as I just typed hello.... >> saved draft and then I see <p> hello </p> [09:46]
diana_coman: that's what the visual one. [09:46]
diana_coman: shrysr: log out and back in [09:47]
diana_coman: I've deactivated the visual editor for you so hopefully you get only the html one [09:47]
shrysr: yea. no tabs now [09:48]
diana_coman: let me know if there's more trouble [09:48]
shrysr: diana_coman: will do. and thanks for the comment! and no - I don't recall ever saying that the tutorial said so... that feels so sad. That being said.. I can improve tons w.r.t understanding each decision and being more skeptical. [09:56]
shrysr: diana_coman: re: mac /windows : what do you do to not be 'owned' ? [09:57]
shrysr: diana_coman: re: saner date/title > i tried that, and remember finding that this has to be enabled in nginx. [10:01]
diana_coman: shrysr: for starters, I build my own machines (and if it's not built by me, then I'll take it apart first anyway); pretty much same for software (and if /when I need to use shit, well, there's a dedicated "toilet-pc" for that) [10:01]
diana_coman: note that a lot of effort around in tmsr is precisely to enable one to actually own his machine/game/whatever [10:02]
shrysr: diana_coman: i like thatt.. [10:04]
diana_coman: it's to a large extent against all the cloudflare&co crowd (it's not convenient!!!11) but in a nutshell I suppose you could think of it this way: if you own it, then it WILL do whatever *you* ask of it (or you blow it up) [10:04]
diana_coman: the moment you have to "oh, it requires Cloudflare/https/blabla enabled" aka you do what *it* asks, it works the other way around, it's owning your ass [10:04]
diana_coman: btw that's precisely what V enables one to do too: to own the code you run, there's no "oh, it requires now this or that dependency" - if it's not a change proposed by someone you trust (i.e. in your wot), it doesn't even get to bother you with its existence; and even if it's proposed by someone you trust, you get to decide IF you want it anyway [10:08]
shrysr: diana_coman: its hard to deal with building a desktop computer in my 'mobile' situation. I got my MBP 2018 in march. i spent months deliberating... especially because it was so damn expensive. I will admit that it felt like being a slave... I had actually hoped to use a thin client and then a nice server in the cloud. [10:09]
diana_coman: on the plus side though, a desktop computer nowadays is not that huge anymore necessarily and it's a few hundred, probably way cheaper anyway (note that you don't *need* and probably not even want the latest bla-bla) [10:10]
diana_coman: the thing with the nice server in the cloud is that it's ...in the cloud, you know? [10:11]
shrysr: yes. [10:11]
diana_coman: and yes, I'm sure it is hard, it *is* hard, yes. [10:11]
diana_coman: anyways, re eulora - it has *very* low graphics requirements really [10:12]
diana_coman: iirc someone even got it running on a virtual machine (though I wouldn't recommend that) [10:12]
diana_coman: you can totally run it with on-board graphics for sure [10:12]
shrysr: ok. Hmm. One thing I can do is install linux on my 2010 mbp... that way my 2018 stays intact for the occassional MS office pain. [10:15]
diana_coman: it does sound like you already have at least the public-toilet machine aka your mac (the tmsr term of art for those is crapple) [10:17]
diana_coman: note that I don't mind it in the slightest if you go and install eulora on mac - actually it's even better, since so far I don't know of anyone who managed to get it working on mac :D [10:18]
shrysr: rofl don't i have enough to deal with [10:26]
diana_coman: well, just in case you didn't :D [10:28]
shrysr: crapple :D its funny.. by the time you cough up money for a mac... i guess its natural to to resent, no matter how much you recognise being a slave. [10:30]
diana_coman: shrysr: you are at least honest enough with yourself to recognise it, hence you can at least laugh at it too; most "customers" won't admit it. [10:32]
shrysr: At best, to be fair - it's been a love hate relationship. I've not been able 'hate' linux per se. For example, i started used i3wm a few months ago and it was a revelation. I almost did not want to go back to the mac... on many days I've wanted to give it all up.... have a simple, powerful system that works. That's probably a utopian definition, but maybe not ? [10:34]
diana_coman: shrysr: as stated it's not much of a definition (hint: what is "works"?) [10:35]
diana_coman: fwiw I don't hate any sort of assorted bits, what did 0/1 ever did to me, lol; people yes, if you find actual persons worth hating might even do you good (hint: perfect focus) [10:37]
shrysr: "works" is ambiguous. I'm unable to define it clearly, and I think I'll write a post thinking aloud. [10:42]
diana_coman: good idea [10:45]
shrysr: is a saner date/title thingy necessary? I can enable that, and actually was in the process, when I felt - why not just plain numbers. its easier to refer to ? [10:49]
shrysr: i.e the default [10:49]
diana_coman: shrysr: how is it easier to refer to? [10:52]
diana_coman: it loses some information with what gain exactly? [10:52]
diana_coman: posts on the blog are text for human consumption not numbers for machine consumption, that's the point there [10:53]
shrysr: as in a relative link would probably just be /?p=78 .. easier to cross reference older articles and say, I remember today's post is number 79, i just type in the link here... [10:56]
diana_coman: but how do you remember that today's post is number x? [10:58]
diana_coman: that's precisely the thing - the date you already know, while the number... [10:58]
shrysr: I won't remember forever and........ if i delete and repost, the number changes :)) it seemed short and sweet ! [11:01]
shrysr: posts are for human consumption, but the URL ? [11:01]
diana_coman: if you go the route "url is for machine" then you should use the ip directly, neh? [11:02]
shrysr: :D [11:02]
diana_coman: url is how you find the post so I'd say yes, human consumption too [11:02]
diana_coman: and yes, "short and sweet" is mostly a matter of not looking hard enough of the thing :)) [11:03]
shrysr: :)) !! cmon.. it does have atleast a sense of 'efficiency' doesnt it ! I was actually setting up the long format url when I looked at it and felt unsure whether I needed it... i also was wondering why it had to be 'enabled' in nginx and there was a fleeting but vague thought of 'security??', before i 'moved on'. [11:06]
diana_coman: heh :) [11:08]
shrysr: so yes..lol. ur right. i did not look hard enough... I'm glad in a way...since I got to hear your wisdom on the matter ! [11:08]
diana_coman: eh, wisdom = total sum of bumps and scrapes and worse one survived so far, you know [11:09]
diana_coman: shrysr: now you got your site up and yours posts on and apparently can afford to stop futzing with the web part for a bit: what will you focus on as number 1 priority next week? (this week you can tie up loose ends since you kept collecting new ones as far as I can see) [11:10]
shrysr: diana_coman: v.py / RSA / Eulora ? [11:13]
diana_coman: that sounds like 3 number 1 priorities? lolz [11:13]
diana_coman: take v.py as number 1, go through it and make notes/ask, poke it, figure it out; for variety, get set up and going with eulora too, sure, that should fit in alongside; rsa can wait a bit atm, I'd say [11:14]
shrysr: :)) i was providing potential options to fill in space while actually waiting for your directive :P [11:15]
shrysr: okay. [11:15]
shrysr: i'm on it. [11:15]
shrysr: actually look fwd to it. i don't know why yet. [11:16]
diana_coman: cool, don't forget to take notes as you go and post them at the end of the day. [11:16]
diana_coman: heh, good :) [11:16]
shrysr: yes. [11:18]
shrysr: It comes out as plain text. I entered in links like: <a href="https://s.ragavan.co/?p=51">setting up new GPG keys</a>. [20:26]
shrysr: I mean - the links are all removed. They are not available as plain text either. [20:28]
shrysr: Ok, i tried just the URL without HTML - still not working. You can see the post. [20:32]
shrysr: Interestingly - i was able to send an encrypted mail with using Emacs - mu4e. However, it seems the email address I send to - has to be available in my gpg keys. Which is logical. [21:38]