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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/ << o check it out, remember anton something or the other, what's his face.
mircea_popescu: BITCOIN EXPERT of yore
asciilifeform meanwhile picked up new pulse welder an' electrodez
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1479...0707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.251.133.92 (ssh-rsa key from 80.251.133.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (postprazdnik.ru. RU MOW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...1219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.251.133.92 (ssh-rsa key from 80.251.133.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (postprazdnik.ru. RU MOW)
BingoBoingo: In other petite flondorings, a climatarast https://archive.is/DdcPi
BingoBoingo: WTF: "“Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you teach. Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you do research,” Schlesinger wrote to a disabilities services specialist at the university, announcing his departure last week. He accused the staff member of writing him “coercive emails” about the accommodation and copied his entire class on climate and global change on the exchange."
BingoBoingo: When's the fun?
BingoBoingo: Ah, here it is from Mr. Climatarast: "While he gave all of his students hard copies of his lecture notes before class, he said, he didn’t provide electronic copies because “based on my experience of providing all my students my lecture slides after each lecture for most if not all of the 16 times I have taught this course, I knew that one-third of my class would cease coming to my lectures if I provided them my lecture slides electro
BingoBoingo: nically. And their ceasing to attend my lectures would lower their course grades.”"
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tvyG8/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/15/a-very-ordinary-idea-a-simple-statement-of-a-known-fact/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A very ordinary idea, a simple statement of a known fact.
asciilifeform: !!up fcbl
deedbot: fcbl voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: fcbl: speak, mortal.
fcbl: hail
fcbl: I am here to listen
asciilifeform: fcbl: you know, there's a log , right ?
fcbl: Mircea's blog brought me here
fcbl: don't really know how to get to it
asciilifeform: fcbl: http://btcbase.org/log and there are mirrors, log.mkj.lt/trilema/today , logs.bvulpes.com .
fcbl: thank you
fcbl: appreciate that
fcbl: I usually understand about 20% I think about what's discussed
fcbl: but I try to catch on
shinohai: It takes time to accustom oneself to the vernacular here, reading logs back as far as you dare will help.
fcbl: I dare it all :)
fcbl: have been reading Trilema since 10 years ago
fcbl: never left me
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3647.7, vol: 63482.87964197 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3649.5, vol: 192025.44633625 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3053.526, vol: 3235.45040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3717.8, vol: 23668.5989987 | Volume-weighted last average: 3647.99175098
BingoBoingo: Diverse news https://i.imgur.com/2xXBSYv.jpg
trinque: lol
trinque: in all fairness, the kid didn't try to use the parts for chair, food, hat.
asciilifeform: hey here in usa we had 'clock boy'
asciilifeform: ( whatever happened to that )
BingoBoingo: Clock boy became great again or something
trinque: went to qatar or something.
trinque: which iirc is lately un-great-again.
asciilifeform simply assumed that d00d reached some absorbingstate or other, couldn't be arsed to follow the nonsense
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu !
mod6: afternoon o7
mircea_popescu: hola
asciilifeform still thinks 'o7' == 'brigadier general'
mod6: lol.
BingoBoingo: Eh contortionist girl salute 87 is better
mod6: ooh, i like that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w984V/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's so contortionist about hand over tits ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's not hand over tits. It's Foot over tits over ass, with head, other leg, arms folded out of view behind body
mircea_popescu: you are a demanding iconographer BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: !!up fcbl
deedbot: fcbl voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: were you ever here befoar, comanescule ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I demand my symbols reflect reality
mircea_popescu: that's why they're so polished then
fcbl: aye
fcbl: a week ago
fcbl: for the first time Sir
mircea_popescu: lumea s-a schimbat mei.
fcbl: (I was F on Trilema longer time ago)
mircea_popescu: i know.
fcbl: I'm honored you remember
mircea_popescu: i never forget a name
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's why they're so polished then << Shiny and Chrome
mircea_popescu: har har
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3725.0, vol: 62269.03865551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3699.8, vol: 187545.01546303 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3052.0, vol: 3216.24660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3745.0, vol: 22973.5685101 | Volume-weighted last average: 3701.69888832
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o noes, no moar up up up ?!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714800 << might want to reg your pgp key. you have one do you ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 17:39 fcbl: have been reading Trilema since 10 years ago
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, Dollar's back to crashing again. Just down to month or two ago crashingness again
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714804 << i can't discern if this is self-parody or exo-parody ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 18:39 BingoBoingo: Diverse news https://i.imgur.com/2xXBSYv.jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Appears to actually be earnest publication
mircea_popescu: ONE POUND worth of unintentional irony self-crits ?
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's abotu fair.
BingoBoingo: It's the way of zaire (pronoun) people
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714810 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713741 roflmao.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 18:44 trinque: went to qatar or something.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/media-and-clergy-orchestrated-civil-disorder-erupts-in-downtown-st-louis-after-acquittal/ << Qntra - Media And Clergy Orchestrated Civil Disorder Erupts In Downtown St Louis After Acquittal
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw that's a charged term in central empire (царь-государь lands) because the main character in crna macka was zare. and he doth get the girl.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's also what Mobutu Sese Seko misgendernamed the Congo as
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: somehow the earlier "change you can believe in" / "hope and change" blue usg brought to congo as obama I never stuck to them.
mircea_popescu: really, anyone expected Obama II embodied in Hussein Bahamas turn out any fucking different from Obama I dry run, CIA and Mobutu love story ?
BingoBoingo: Well Hussein Bahamas is just as much CIA creature as Bush I, in that way more Bush than W. was
mircea_popescu: certainly blue state creature.
mircea_popescu: bush, kinda pink.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, purple. something in between
BingoBoingo: Bush I was solidly murple
mircea_popescu: it's funny, what multi-generational retards the us breeds.
mircea_popescu: bush fambly perhaps best example of how not to keep livestock.
BingoBoingo: Hey, the Belgians still made the most fashionable of the Congo Mao suits
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "we're really very gay, but haven't yet figured out how to work the schlongs, only woman knows teh secrets" camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/42098db929861153ec16f4dd90e896d0/tumblr_ntj118mBaJ1uaofddo1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: http://thegoldwater.com/news/8115-Suck-My-D-ck-Driver-Says-before-Plowing-through-BLM << From civil disorder practice earlier this week. SUV man now local folk hero
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hey, aborting a whole ream of escaped avortons in one go. i can see the arousal potential.
BingoBoingo: "Stockley shot Smith five separate times and prosecutors argued during the trial that Stockley put a gun in Smith’s car after the encounter." << Per the verdict there was no fifth shot.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well he just told them to fuck off and made them get out of his white way
mircea_popescu: oh i thought he was talking to passenger
BingoBoingo: Oh, I dunno
mircea_popescu: anyway, the blm bullshit is straight up argentina import.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at slavegirl camp, "say no to the o!" http://friskyb.tumblr.com/post/165154383535/sntto-day-8
mircea_popescu: !!up NotEvenWrong
deedbot: NotEvenWrong voiced for 30 minutes.
NotEvenWrong: Gentlemen! The strangest thing happened to me yesterday: people voluntary exchanged their bitcoin for my bcrash!
mircea_popescu: good for you.
NotEvenWrong: at a rate of 0.125, no less!
mircea_popescu: well, so you deed a good deed, released some schmucks from their burden
NotEvenWrong: many thanks to all for the wonderful logs
mircea_popescu: back when teh usg still had any hope, it was 0.14x even
NotEvenWrong: It was at 0.22 a few weeks back(!)
NotEvenWrong: I'm actually about to help a friend dump his
mircea_popescu: and also, "why make the breast pump hand held when it could be STEEL CHASSIS ?!?!?!" http://68.media.tumblr.com/4305a909780c8c074f0a67accaa6e8b2/tumblr_o6jz94RWl11svlhezo1_1280.jpg
mod6: nice pumps
asciilifeform: moo..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the convention is that girls who feel a deep urge to be so abused answer "moo" to that pic.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tMAgD/?raw=true << illustrative.
asciilifeform: oh speaking of this, asciilifeform's pet had response to mircea_popescu's 'o sopirla' : 'there is also an inverse sopirla, where an item has the outward pretense of disobedience, but in fact reaffirms pantsuit orthodoxy. did the romanians have a name for it as well?'
mircea_popescu: no, because the first romanian to ever notice this exists was called mircea popescu.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: that's the advantage of living in a small pond, the exact opposite of the problem of math.
asciilifeform can picture
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could stretch "hypocrisy" to try and fit it, if you must.
asciilifeform: nah unspecific
mircea_popescu: well you could also call it graham, or yarvin, or somesuch.
asciilifeform: sopirla is very delectably specific
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: but the phenomenon of "think outside the box! in the sense of out of that one and into this one!" is very widespread, which is why such shock and awe as in eg http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/#comment-119962
mircea_popescu: and the problem is also a LOT bigger than commonly understood. a scientist's ability to produce anything meaningful is forever trapped in the superifical tension of a very narrow menisc : between him being caught in a certain box ("paradigm") but not in the other one ("orthodoxy").
mircea_popescu: too loose and he won't be comprehended, like poisson couldn't read galois, notwithstanding certain talent and ability.
asciilifeform: !#s hill climbing
a111: 5 results for "hill climbing", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hill%20climbing
asciilifeform: ^ thread somewhere
mircea_popescu: too tight and it won't be worth reading, like all the nature science being pushed out by the shovelful.
mircea_popescu: nature-mag science.
asciilifeform: it's a fundamental tension in ~everything~, because it is in fact an information-theoretical problem and not at all domain-specific
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as information theoretical, seeing how information has an actual thermodynamic backing.
mircea_popescu: it is purely theoretical! as in theoretical physics theoretical.
asciilifeform: yayagodcreatedintegersandallelseisworkofman etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if one built a cylinder with independent pistons and a partition, and put a single molecule in, and knew on which side it found itself, that one could extract entropy work out of the assemblage!"
mircea_popescu: !~google szilard engine
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Szilard engine - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/%3Ftitle%3DSzilard_engine%26redirect%3Dno>; Entropy in thermodynamics and information theory - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_information_theory>; Szilard's engine – Powered by Knowledge – The Quantum and ...: <http://www.quantumcomplexity.org/tutorials/knowledge-is-power-the-energy-cont
mircea_popescu: the work is quite specifically k T ln2.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean by "entropy work". $value-of-entropy work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'szilard's engine' believe or not has a more ancient ru peasant existence!111 in the proverb 'Знал бы где упасть -- соломки бы подстелил' .
mircea_popescu: lol!
asciilifeform: aaha.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's not exactly novel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wk4BV/?raw=true
asciilifeform: got it!
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the boxen : the correct solution to "how much box" is, on the basis of both practical observation (every time tought, either as science, or as art, or as political work worked to date ; not to mention coral growth and everything else) as well as theoretical understanding is to provide SPURS instead of walls.
mircea_popescu: because that's how you resolve the "i can't tell if this young'un is galois or insane" in practice of elder, slower, heavier gents : "follow ONE fucking spur to allow me to organize your nonsense, god damn it!"
mircea_popescu: then if you really care about 2d, 3d, nd effects we can... guess what... examine further orthogonal ones ?! wow!
mircea_popescu: it's ~ what "causes, not purposes" does irl, as a forinstance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cjPxB/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714617 << goal is to establish co in moscows, and put a colo on its name? i can make inquiries about at least some of the steps, but not sure i'll be able to perform all the necessary actions in the time left.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 00:34 asciilifeform: hey phf !
asciilifeform: phf: get the corp at least. you're the only 1 here who can at reasonable expense.
asciilifeform: believe or not asciilifeform has 0 usable ties to ru at all. not even the ancient pieces of paper, survived.
asciilifeform: phf: and gpgram with mircea_popescu , things are in (a sort of ) motion.
mircea_popescu: tsk.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, do you have a muscovi corp reg'd ?
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform is trying the newton'smethod thing
mircea_popescu: the what now ?
asciilifeform: the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713533
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 17:48 apeloyee: reciprocal can be calculated with newton's method
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in poor girl shoeshining stand, http://68.media.tumblr.com/aa0e01517041655ea1745eb15b61d4bf/tumblr_nhpmqvFGDL1rjkemgo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: new meaning to 'bootlicks'
shinohai: New meaning to "shinebox"
trinque: new meaning to trenchfoot
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/bbe5125070485270bc12420e9cefa0fc/tumblr_oi5tjnJ3JC1su4pcbo1_1280.jpg <<< shhhh!
trinque: lol!
mod6: nice snapper
kanzure: asciilifeform: so what was your better than inkjet deposition solution thing?
kanzure: i was in dc yesterday attending a dna synthesis meeting organied by iarpa. they want 10^14 data write with dna.
kanzure: +z
asciilifeform: wait i had one?!
asciilifeform: 10e14 of wat ? bits ? MB ? GB ?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
kanzure: sorry, that was the wrong number. 10^14 bits is today's write demand.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3675.13, vol: 60790.51702659 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3672.1, vol: 184588.91232251 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3051.98474, vol: 3044.97490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3706.1, vol: 22312.0909273 | Volume-weighted last average: 3668.60793646
asciilifeform: and write on what?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Presumably african frog?
kanzure: anyway the concern is that there's not enough pure silicon available to make enough flash memory for future projected demands of like 2^28 bits in ~20 years.
asciilifeform: and so instead write with dna, a mol of which weighs approx what young elephant weighs ?
asciilifeform: makes tape look pretty good
kanzure: 10^14 kg of wafer-grade silicon vs 1 kg dna
asciilifeform: 'folx who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' as mccarthy put it
kanzure: and i think it's like 1 picogram/bit for flash memory..
asciilifeform: and precisely how are we to run out of si, the #1 abundant element in the planet's crust ?!
asciilifeform: holyfuq
kanzure: we currently are not processing beach sand for semiconductor wafers
BingoBoingo: What sand the future processes is the future's problem
asciilifeform: this 'pack the planet with bodies until everywhere looks like a crowded lift' thing ain't long for this world, kanzure
asciilifeform: and certainly the 'and give each an ipnoje so he'll shuddup' ain't either.
kanzure: these cat pics are important
asciilifeform: y'know the meat device for displaying those is already built : there's 1 on my windowsill atm
kanzure: but the nsa can't use that to capture and store all the packets..
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged.
BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imagine when those bits spoil in the heat of Utah desert!
asciilifeform pictures yeast storage, and seekrit usg brewery
mircea_popescu: how come these tards manage to always "be concerned" about "future" insufficiency ?
mircea_popescu: THEYRE INSUFFICIENT TODAY! and enoughly so for anyone!
asciilifeform: they got meat production 5year plan, y'see
kanzure: i typed 50 pages of notes (about 30k words) but i'm not sure it should be considered public
mircea_popescu: there's not enough si, check that dumb shit out, only the most common material in crust.
mircea_popescu: kanzure actually, it should be considered manure.
asciilifeform: see that there living room ? it's to have 50 somalis in it by end of 5yplan.
kanzure: not enough silicon of the type that is used
mircea_popescu: i can promise you absolutely nobody will ever read it. in this sense "whether it's public" is not unlike rosie mcdowell wondering if her cunt's got privacy.
asciilifeform: kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen
mircea_popescu: in point of hact, her uglty snatch is private no matter what she does.
kanzure: bilinear maps are the future tho
asciilifeform: apple trees on mars!111
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/
asciilifeform: !#s boneh
a111: 18 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
asciilifeform: kanzure ^ for your enjoyment
mircea_popescu: i don't think he reads anything that's not patently idiotic.
mircea_popescu: sort of like a self-preservation mechanism.
asciilifeform: so far shows no symptoms of doing so, no
BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
asciilifeform: boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable
asciilifeform: and ended up without either
mircea_popescu: interesting point.
BingoBoingo: !#s crabapple
a111: 1 result for "crabapple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crabapple
asciilifeform met the d00d in the meat
asciilifeform: he's an older, smaller-calibre bernstein
BingoBoingo: !#s apple
a111: 1911 results for "apple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=apple
BingoBoingo: !#s crab apple
a111: 1 result for "crab apple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crab%20apple
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687761
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:56 mircea_popescu: ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples.
asciilifeform: kanzure: if the year were 1995 and you were on sci.crypt and the denizen loon is promising 'zipper that zips 100MB into 100kB' you would laugh. but you do not laugh at publickkeysignatureaggregation ?!
asciilifeform: pray tell why not.
asciilifeform: and this is only one of the pseudoscientific horrors that boneh is pushing today.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect he's familiar.
asciilifeform: ( flavoured with much proofyjuice of course )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is explicitly mentioned in kanzure's link, which is why i use as example
mircea_popescu: you don't correctly grasp the level of superficiality involved.
mircea_popescu: remember, "atmospheric feeding".
asciilifeform: plus obsessed over in the #wizards heathen pit where kanzure is known to dwell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's meaningless.
asciilifeform: so betcha he knows.
mircea_popescu: what's the definition of "know" contemplated here ?
asciilifeform: 1) knows how $algo worx 2) knows how it fails, and eventually produces phantom sigs 3) knows who pushes it 4) knows why
mircea_popescu: "visually recognizes string, like parrot" or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: absolutely not.
BingoBoingo: Know is a prejudicial un-solarshaded term
kanzure: just last week i was in SF because http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-core-dev-tech/2017-09-06-signature-aggregation/
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: knows.
kanzure: i wasn't aware that i had to report my whereabouts to you guys but whatever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was there in the sense wino was in bar. it takes a very special sort of someone to imagine they were there because they went to listen to the band.
asciilifeform: kanzure: really nobody gives half a shit
asciilifeform: i presume that d00d knows because he is not unintelligent.
kanzure: you don't give me giga shits?
mircea_popescu: you understand this is how the shit works, yes ? there's the bars, and there's the bar flies, and there's the indie bands. the relationship between all three is entirely coincidental.
mircea_popescu: people-who-go-to-conferences, ie bar flies, will at any point be in a conference hall. this has no relation to anything else.
asciilifeform: now i have nfi actually re kanzure . but boneh knows very well what he's doing.
kanzure: https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~mihir/papers/multisignatures-ccs.pdf
mircea_popescu: people-who-talk-at-conferences, ie indie bands, will at any point also be in a conference hall.
asciilifeform: his nuremberg defense will be challenging.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is driven by the bar.
asciilifeform: so kanzure wouldja humour me, and say to me why i cannot compress a 1000TB backup into a 1024byte sig
mircea_popescu: ie, if it has seats and a stage there's going to be some kind of fly land on each.
asciilifeform: and get it out again
kanzure: anyway thanks for the encouragement about public releasing (d|i)arpa notes
kanzure: why are you doing compression
asciilifeform: to show how ludicrous the claim of 'aggregate N signatures into fixed space'
kanzure: i thought this was about authorization
asciilifeform: it is about informationtheoretical impossibility of the claim, period
asciilifeform: and the inadmissibility of lossy operations in crypto
mircea_popescu: you're so far from any kind of shared priors, there's absolutely no possible result here.
asciilifeform: and the people who made devil's bargain with usg, supposed 'academics' who lie for money like the lowest crack whore does not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do regularly try to find some shared prior.
mircea_popescu: i would say the matter's come to its natural conclusion : dude's came up with any of the usual explanation of why i'm rich and he's poor ; and will continue with his idiotic tack indefinitely.
asciilifeform: hm i must've missed this thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is strictly impossible to have. he is dedicated to being stupid, and i suspect by now too old for any change to be even arguably +ev.
mircea_popescu: he'll die dumb.
mircea_popescu: !!rate kanzure -10 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715062
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 00:01 mircea_popescu: he'll die dumb.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YVgGQ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: i suppose my interest is very narrowly entomological -- i'd like to know if d00d is boneh or a dupe.
mircea_popescu: !!v C30B3B4F67776A274252904D8A17A0398AA923BD70A162B5CF9F139CD46E21BE
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of kanzure from 1 to -10 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715062
asciilifeform: but my telepsychiatron is broken, so can't say.
kanzure: can you give me proof of poor here. wat?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that distinction is not meaningful. pregnant woman is neither whore nor victim. she's pregnant.
asciilifeform: kanzure: approx. that you might have $B but you can't send it to isis.
asciilifeform: and so it ain't actually yours.
asciilifeform: but not limited to this.
kanzure: so i should make my own isis
mircea_popescu: you should shut up of your own steam, really.
asciilifeform: step 1 is to not surround self with provocateurs, e.g. boneh & co.
asciilifeform: or will last approx as long as the new york deathray d00d.
BingoBoingo: !~step 1
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: !~step1
asciilifeform: step 2 is to omfg get a civilized chan log for yerself, kanzure , the .txt full of joinpart spamola is srsly sad
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
BingoBoingo: !~step2
jhvh1: 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you gotta wait for the man to ~take~ to drink before he can quit it!11
BingoBoingo: Most importantly
BingoBoingo: !~step4
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol, the drink is a symptom
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the conceptualization of one being an utter fucktard can't happen in the comfortably idiotic.
mircea_popescu: alcohol is a muchly preferable addiction to usgtronic stupidity in that it actually DOES something.
asciilifeform: step 3 may be to stop doing dancytricks for darpa/iarpa/fucktarpa for pocket change, esp. if yer already 'rich'
BingoBoingo: !~step3
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
mircea_popescu: but being dumb in the female way, especially if not biologically female, can not possibly have any physical effects.
BingoBoingo: ^ AHA alf
asciilifeform: i got out of that racket an' have 0 regrets
mircea_popescu: so it can also keep teh spirit captive ~forever.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What if he grows fat. Gets tits and pubic fat mount over now tunnelcock?
asciilifeform: kanzure: if yur gonna fellate for money, fellate goldmansachs directly, for 9 digits, instead of the tardocrats for 7
BingoBoingo: USGtardism does that
mircea_popescu: still not fertile.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Fertile to Candida!
mircea_popescu: heh.
shinohai munches popcorn
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, he can be the beta provider in a fungus feeding reproductionship
BingoBoingo brb, sobertime
mircea_popescu: this is indistinguishable from being dead.
BingoBoingo: ikr?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the opportunity came and went, like these things do.
BingoBoingo: Except for some reason it's selling darpa rotting yeast drive and utterancing
BingoBoingo: Wait!
asciilifeform: phun phakt, even toilet at darpa needs key card
BingoBoingo: Which yeast for drive....
asciilifeform: place is set up like hollywood gulag of the fyootoor
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the actual next generation, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9af2cd6af1fe5d5456da8665cf4dc61b/tumblr_ntckg51hHH1scjhrvo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: oh did i mention the doorman has form for you to fill in triplicate ?
asciilifeform: afaik never even in original su, this degree of idiocy
shinohai: oh my
BingoBoingo: OMG kanzure IS an instrument of candidal intertrigo
BingoBoingo: Now this is novel
BingoBoingo: Or prolly not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vaguely funny anecdote re this : someone introduced woman to me in ba. clearly pro cocksucker who's seen better days ; had retired into a marriage but chosen ineptly, was now peniless trying to make ends meet out of realestate agenting.
BingoBoingo: anyways brb
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nah d00d dun work with darpa, he works with iarpa, darpa is stolid old pentagon, iarpa - nsa
mircea_popescu: she invites us to this art whatever the fuck, in a loft downtown. we actually go! and there, whole festival of locking doors ands where's your id and whatnot.
mod6: mircea_popescu: woah, the next generation is hawt.
mircea_popescu: i told the girly where to shove it, and she had to "ask" and whatnot. just as he was coming back witrh the "oh, no id needed anymore" updated policy i was getting the doorman to open the fucking door before i crack it open with his face.
mircea_popescu: moral of the story being, women left to rot in their own juice come up withe the same inept bullshit at darpa or at argentina.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: nah d00d dun work with darpa, he works with iarpa, darpa is stolid old pentagon, iarpa - nsa << This does not exonerate the yeast's herald from being a herald of his yeastly superiors
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as an ex-sufferer of 'hm, they're giving out money for dancytrick, how do i print 100MB using liquid shit on wattman paper' -- i grasp the fundamentals
mircea_popescu: that's you know, how it's going to be communicated to me that we're in an ~~~exclusive~~~ millieu of great value and vehement importance! by complicated locking mechanisms. cuz i
mircea_popescu: i'm a dumb cunt just like them and imagine the value of my precious kitty is related to how many textile layers i keep it under.
asciilifeform: but i cannot cure kanzure . if wealth ( and by all indications, d00d is 'dependently' wealthy at the least ) did not cure -- who can cure.
mircea_popescu: you can't unfix a fixed bitch.
asciilifeform: i have nfi with what one oughta have been whaked in the head, and with howmuch force, to do idjit humantricks for nsa for paltry sixfigses when no longer having to work to eat
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715000
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 23:50 mircea_popescu: sort of like a self-preservation mechanism.
mircea_popescu: for as long as he keeps with that, nothing can happen (tm)
asciilifeform: i can sorta understand starvation, in fact http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525791 etc
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 21:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did a tour of duty in the most godforsaken imaginable salt mine full of ex-nsa folk.
asciilifeform: but for the well-fed i cannot see what possible excuse.
mircea_popescu: there's many classes of stupid, a well populous one (at least in the us) is "intelligent who are affraid of it".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've heard the hungry but sane before, they don't sound like that at all.
asciilifeform: d00d ain't hungry, you can take that to the bank.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's no room for pity or such bs here. dood had his moment to epiphanize, missed out on it, what more can be said, or need be said.
asciilifeform: i dun think he has to pinch pennies for them microscopes.
mircea_popescu: you mean them microscopes that don't exist.
asciilifeform: notmuch. i'ma bbl, gotta paint some dna.
kanzure: why would i have you vet my epipenises?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can i lean on you the other way nao plox ?
asciilifeform: ohh aha 1s
asciilifeform: we never did see that product catalogue 'in 2 wks' didwe mircea_popescu
kanzure: i thought "in 2 weeks" is the handwave answer?
asciilifeform: !!rate kanzure -1 minor-league quisling; inquire within
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FYTXm/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 3129E08CE0D3159D79FA46BEB345F332DEA19DB355A2C0349CFD09A65BBF1E79
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of kanzure from 1 to -1 << minor-league quisling; inquire within
asciilifeform: back go all things to their proper orbits.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you were judged and came out worthless ; waste the rest of your inconsequential time somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: !!down kanzure
asciilifeform bbl ferrealz
shinohai: Sorry to read about your click resetting earlier mircea_popescu .... didja get it back going?
mircea_popescu: nah not gonna.
shinohai: :/
mircea_popescu: gotta do smaller things till the client's in better shape.
mircea_popescu: it crashed again meanwhile.
shinohai: Longest click I have ever done was for diana_coman .... only took a few hours though.
shinohai: Thankfully, no resets.
mod6: click?
mod6: like duration of crafting?
mircea_popescu: mod6 he's talking eulora
shinohai: Yup, sorry bout that
shinohai: (Wrong chan!)
mod6: np at all.
mod6: fwiw, i logged in day or so ago to check and ensure at least on the surface, all was still well.
mircea_popescu: was it ?
mircea_popescu: you should have pretty high q stuff now, since the float.
mod6: i was able to log in, np, and my ecu had 10x'd
mircea_popescu: all oldsters do.
mod6: i made mention in #eulora, but was brief.
mircea_popescu: aha cool.
mod6: lol, and apparently non-specific.
shinohai: I haven't seen danielpbarron since the reset, hope he's ok. I still have his items.
mod6: (15:24) < mod6> looking good! << my apologies.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> you should have pretty high q stuff now, since the float. << ah cool! i'll check it out.
mod6: <+shinohai> I haven't seen danielpbarron since the reset, hope he's ok. I still have his items. << he's in-game now it seems
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, \i just bought myself 3mn cft. yum.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i like the new cli-style merchant interface a lot better in priciple.
mod6: lol, i've got a stone pickaxe you made me once, that's now 1Mq
mircea_popescu: ha!
shinohai: O.o
shinohai: Yeah the cli-interface took a little adjustment but I kinda liked it once I figured it out
mod6: this game is awesome
mod6: i've got this 11yo kid begging me to get him into it.
mircea_popescu: lol!
mod6: friends kid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, next step is to actually declare a server api, with much better hooks for content delivery etc. should grow nicely once all that's in.
mod6: that'll be awesome Mr. P.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122947 << in other wtf questions.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in field conditions, http://68.media.tumblr.com/39c8446445e88cc7e78638dc70738c89/tumblr_nk7f5nCUZI1txqtqio1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Field conditions appear fine.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715201 << Does the question not make sense?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 01:34 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122947 << in other wtf questions.
mircea_popescu: PeterL makes perfect sense.
mircea_popescu: the problem with the spec as-is is that you can't actually have a message of the same bitsize as the key, but must make it -1 ; this appears to be mentioned exactly NOWHERE, which is moderately concerning.
PeterL: and do you make it -1 bit or -1 byte?
mircea_popescu: bit should suffice ; but might not be practically useful.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, should prolly take a look at http://www.shoup.net/papers/oaep.pdf also
PeterL: what is this, mircea_popescu linking a pdf?!? the scandal!
mircea_popescu: (tl;dr : here's proof oaep is insecure ; original "proofs" wrong ; rsa-oaep is not insecure by accident, due to rsa properteis ; here's oaep+ fixed by me to actually work)
mircea_popescu: PeterL i also sent an email earlier this week. the world's ending.
PeterL: by the way, I stuffed the keccak ada stuff (and, speaking of OAEP, here is one of those too) into https://github.com/PeterMLambert/keccak since I don't have my own server up yet
BingoBoingo: OMG Police adopting filthy hippy tactics nao: "They marched to the on-ramp of I-64 at Clark Street, but officers on bicycles formed a human chain to prevent them from shutting down highway traffic. The protesters left that area without any physical confrontations."
PeterL: what pansy protesters
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Well, that was earlier in the day when there was still sunlight
PeterL: are they vampires, afraid of the light or something?
BingoBoingo: Breakingest news is pantsuit Mayor's home vandalized https://archive.is/OI5cQ
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Yes they are afraid of the light.
BingoBoingo: It's their taken version 'we r anon, no raep us back pls; k thx bye'
PeterL: With RSA-OAEP, one can encrypt messages whose bit-length is up to just a few hundred bits less than the number of bits in the RSA modulus, yielding a ciphertext whose size is the same as that of the RSA modulus. << It sounds like he is using a smaller amount of random bits than we are?
PeterL: Why is it that papers written by one guy still insist on using the "We" form for all the things they do?
BingoBoingo: Because fist ass unity takes two people
BingoBoingo: And from there custom spreads
BingoBoingo: http://www.whio.com/news/local/volunteer-franklin-twp-firefighter-suspended-amid-alleged-racist-comments/SyYlUbiF0KhY3TkzMed8oM/

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