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http://bingology.net/2020/uruguay-ssr-and-the-hallucinated-seige/ << Bingology - The Blog of Aaron 'BingoBoingo' Rogier -- Uruguay-SSR And The Hallucinated Seige |
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jfw: |
gah, it's been taking longer to reread and write up that conversation for my review than it took to have it the first time; and I wasn't set up well mentally as I had the idea that review was pretty much done except for some pasting and there was just the plan, as opposed to http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/22/ossasepia-logs-for-13-Apr-2020#1024329 . |
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ossabot: |
Logged on 2020-04-13 18:21:07 diana_coman: jfw: anyways, will you write up and publish then today the review and plan based on the discussion above? |
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feedbot: |
http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-review-week-of-6-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 6 Apr 2020 |
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diana_coman: |
jfw: reading the published review, it seems it was done (there isn't really anything new in there) but kind of done to you rather than by you, lolz. |
[04:42] |
jfw: |
diana_coman: what can I say. sorry I've missed the plan, I seem to be fussing over it quite a bit, this improving estimates and realism and completeness but also doing in less time is a tough circle for me to square. I'll get some sleep and give a fresh look. |
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diana_coman: |
jfw: works. |
[04:58] |
billymg: |
diana_coman: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=xakV << draft list of questions for survey. there is also a survey for non-mp-wp users. my idea is to publish this list of questions as an article on my site and then ping a few channels to solicit some responses as comments on the article. this way all the responses will be collected publicly in one place and i can ask follow up questions inline |
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billymg: |
let me know if you have any feedback on the questions themselves otherwise i can go ahead and publish as is |
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diana_coman: |
billymg: I guess it works; not sure it will be much use tbh but that part is up to you anyway |
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diana_coman: |
the q re modifications and settings will be a pain to answer anywhere close really given the long history with it otherwise, huh |
[16:12] |
diana_coman: |
possibly worth a try anyway, why not |
[16:12] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: what's the fuss over /re plan anyway? |
[16:12] |
jfw: |
diana_coman: it seems after yesterday's convo I'm more confused about what a plan is supposed to be anyway. More descriptive about what I'm likely to end up doing? Prescriptive about what I presently think needs doing or want to focus on? |
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diana_coman: |
jfw: what is normally a plan for you? |
[16:27] |
diana_coman: |
to me normally a plan is a commitment really: I intend to DO those things. |
[16:29] |
diana_coman: |
and that's a reason why I keep to it, too; sure, not idiotically without considering changes to the context but "given what I know now, this is what I intend to do" so if/when what I know changes, the plan can change too |
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jfw: |
To me it's been more of "things I'd like to happen and figure there's some chance of", I suppose. |
[16:30] |
diana_coman: |
yeah, more of a wishlist burnt on the altar and forgotten too :D |
[16:31] |
diana_coman: |
not much need for that, no. |
[16:31] |
diana_coman: |
also, in that case, why limit to what seems to have a chance, at least go fully for it and list what you'd like to happen, what if it ...does? :)) |
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jfw: |
diana_coman: but do you really fill your whole working schedule with commitments? you've also said to plan in some flexibility I recall |
[16:34] |
diana_coman: |
it's never really worth it to go half way only anyway, so if it's a commitment make it be one and if it's a wishlist let it be a proper wishlist |
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diana_coman: |
jfw: there is flexibility, sure - part of it comes from all the time buffers, part of it from the time permitting, part of it from the above "if context changes, so will the plan - explicitly though, even if it's in the middle of the week" |
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diana_coman: |
and then there is of course the level of detail - ie no need to go in super detail upfront when you can't even know that; but if your plan says "publish an article every other day" then it's a commitment you'll write one and publish it although yeah, flexibility as to what content, how long etc; if it says "sort out healthcare" then that is a commitment that you will work on that although sure, the result might be that it's fully ... |
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diana_coman: |
... sorted or not yet, but you did apply yourself to that task. |
[16:37] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: and there's also nothing wrong with listing specifically some time for what I was calling yesterday opportunistic tasks, what. |
[16:38] |
diana_coman: |
the plan is literally to see what you intended to do and then compare with what you did, learn from it and decide on the next move; not some sort of "form" to fill, nor some sort of madness/bureaucracy/dunno-how-to-even-call-it |
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diana_coman: |
and ofc it helps in principle with coordination with others too; but only to the extent that it has anything to do with reality, sure. |
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jfw: |
hm, does "intended" speak of wishes or commitments? or something else? |
[16:42] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: where? |
[16:43] |
jfw: |
"to see what you intended to do" |
[16:43] |
jfw: |
coulda sworn I knew what intent was but somehow unsure now, lol |
[16:43] |
diana_coman: |
to me it speaks of commitment, yes; I don't quite have other sort of intentions but I suppose it's better said "to see what you had committed to do " |
[16:44] |
diana_coman: |
for clarity |
[16:44] |
jfw: |
alright |
[16:44] |
diana_coman: |
now I wonder what might everyone took the plans for, even; lol |
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diana_coman: |
take* |
[16:57] |
jfw: |
you mean I'm not the only mouse or man whose plans gang aft aglay? couldn't be! |
[16:59] |
diana_coman: |
jfw: lol; there's a reason (with a long history too) why I'm almost allergic to... intentions, let's say. |
[17:01] |
jfw: |
wishes dressed up as commitments? |
[17:02] |
diana_coman: |
myeah; and sold as such too, for as long as in the very least allowed to. |
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feedbot: |
http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-plan-14-19-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW plan, 14-19 Apr 2020 |
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