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BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/1sMEN << Exercises in blogging gymnastics
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- I Sit. I Weigh.
diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
mp_en_viaje: meh, http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ not accessible, and i'm guessing was accessible for too short an interval for lobbesbot to archive it, as not avail there either.
mp_en_viaje: o wait, it was given as such. wtf, archive.is is retarded, can't find it by search ?
mp_en_viaje: ooooh i see, dns is down, page saved by i see , i see. doh.
mp_en_viaje: "I volunteered for the Uruguay mission to save Qntra" << i remember that part
mp_en_viaje: man, crazy times.
mp_en_viaje: "the body of work I have written for Qntra" << it is pretty fucking good. i usually read it as it comes out ; but it IS news, so i also read it like i read news, six months to a year+ later.
mp_en_viaje: i can say definitely that outside of ancient newspapers of very narrow scholarly interest eg and REALLY old versions of europapers (eg) nothing reads even remotely as well as qntra.
mp_en_viaje: the terseness is a restrospectively evident winning principle ; and your handling of the labels-and-references indirection layers just fine.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941225 - I know.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 03:37:23 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, i tell you i don't comprehend this defective approach, as seen in "I don't know if I can continue to make camp in Uruguay on Qntra alone or in combination with the local economy of faltas. Maybe I breed rabbits" and elsewhere.
mp_en_viaje: so, you take job running isp, have some time there, do not spend that time to acquire the things someone running isp has and you do not. then later, you're doing whatever it is you're doing for pizarro, it's not clear to me (or, i suspect, to them), but you don't actually acquire ~any~ kind of skills involved.
mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced, seasoned dc technician. i was waiting for the word "pcap" to come out of you, as a token show of even having a clue what the fuck this all is -- zilch.
mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
mp_en_viaje: you dropped your life to move there, physically, yes. the distance is good, the environment stable, all the conceivable prerequisites for undisturbed, uninterrupted study in place. but have you studied ? what have you studied ?
mp_en_viaje: the days seem to pass like for women, as if the passage itself is a gain alone, as if some kind of implicitly valuable thing is growing in your viscera by itself, in the dark, unknown and incomprehensible, allthewhile all you have to do is keep stuffing food down one end of a digestive tube and evacuate out the other at regular enough intervals -- mariahilf will provide for the rest, for all the rest.
mp_en_viaje: are you pregnant with pizarro, is that the idea ? it's not gonna happen by itself, you know, it has to be ~made~. built, like a thing, product of ~man~'s industry, out of all the parts, individually, each made correctly and exact, all put together as is proper. interesting things are never born, they're always ~made~.
mp_en_viaje: if tomorrow republic declared you a gunsmith, would you put up a shingle reading TMSR Gunsmith and then sit indoors in the dark until kicked out ? meditating, maybe ?
mp_en_viaje: for things to exist they have to be made. for things to be made you must know what things there are and how they are made.
mp_en_viaje: did you build yourself the list of all the parts of the thing, and then the complete details of each and every single one of them, that ever historically existed, and the practical dexterities of making them all and so on ?
mp_en_viaje: did you spend your time poring over "how does networking work ?" "what is connectivity ?" how many dc maps did you review, how many dc people did you talk to and what about, did you bother to learn the global connectivity map by heart, just as a fuckyou to the darkness, "look, i can trace all the main lines people spent millions / meter to even lay in the first place, you can't even draw the fucking planisphere and i can dra
mp_en_viaje: w it with the threads of connectivity, because you're not fit to be a citizen of the 1950s when they put the man on the moon and i belong, i firmly and substantially belong in the 2000s, when we have undersea cables" ?
mp_en_viaje: if i show you that indeed peering arrangements are trivially reviewable over the internet you then apply it, that's fine, but why do I have to show you, you were there for all these years and never did it occur to you to look ? why not ? you did not know dcs peer, for instance ? it never occured to you that they must ? why not ? what's needed, other than me showing you specifically, for it to occur ?
mp_en_viaje: there's ten thousand details, just like that, and you can eat or try to eat or byte or whatever a few each day, and more each week, and then week after week after week you eat the whole thing. this is how the world was built, because no part of it was yet borne by woman, all was built, by men, laying brick on brick and rivet on rail and each and every part individually without exception all the way from the bottom to the ver
mp_en_viaje: y tip.
mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say mean, hurtfu
mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and then he's stuc
mp_en_viaje: k for another however long with some incomprehensible thing he's really trying to insulate his own identity from.
mp_en_viaje: if you don't study and practice to be a manager, you will never be one, except in contexts such as "a disappointing manager". if you don't study and practice to be a dc tech, you will never be one either. nothing you will be, unless you study and practice that thing, and these are not idle words, they're day after day and hour after hour ~actual~ activity.
mp_en_viaje: so you're going to... raise rabits ? what possible sense can this fucking make, it's this concept of the failure personified, instead of raising above the minimum bar you plan to entrench it as an insuperable maximum ?
mp_en_viaje: is this some kind of failure worship, you get a scholarship to go to university, do not meaningfully show up to any class, then when they come to evict you from your dorm room you "figure out a way" to hang a rainproof sheet from the fire hydrant, "make yourself a shelter", "hey, it's a skill also" ?
mp_en_viaje: it's not a fucking skill, surviving through ad-hocisms is not manly. it's the exact equivalent of becoming a transvestite, except not bothering with the exterior aspect of the matter, a woman trapped in a man's body slightly differently than the twinks.
mp_en_viaje: you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?!
mp_en_viaje: anyways, im traveling today, so shall bbl.
mp_en_viaje: o hai
mp_en_viaje is en route to linz no less. all hail modern technology.
mp_en_viaje: also i've been trying to read shaw's attempt at a charles play.
mp_en_viaje: i can follow along with the man, "hey, restoration comedy as a vehicle for the trade in meats, yet another-eth attempt at selling whatever young cunt's hips, thigs, waist and tits under the flimsy pretext & distraction of "being" moll whatever is outstandingly uninteresting
mp_en_viaje: it is, i'm with him. there;s also no need to keep pretending "new titles" for porn films. you need... i dunno, mAAAAybe a few dozen, pre-given and fixed forever ; then keep re-shooting them ~as such~ every time there's a new cunt comes off the highschool benches juicy enough to justify the effort.
mp_en_viaje: "class of 2019 does the soubrette presentation" is legitimate pron ; and naught else really is.
mp_en_viaje: which yes, liberates threatre itself from the directly munane requirements of the trade in meats. if you want to get a better price for the prize heifer you raised, get her a "leaked tape", don't try and put her in a play. alright, all good.
mp_en_viaje: then he moves on to point out that the only source of interest is... encounters. meeting. "what if newton knew charles ?" is the mother of all theatre. i can see this, it makes perfect sense, and it's the exact sort of stroke of utter genius that makes shaw have a name in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: oedipus rex is nothing else and naught besides "what if jocasta met oedipus". that they coincidentally did meet, whereas newton and charles coincidentally didn't meet is irrelevant. it's the lot of the greeks to only write a bout encounters that took place, through lack of correct numeration system to permit them egress from their simple naivity. but we have better representation systems, so we can write better thestre.
mp_en_viaje: excellent, i'm with him.
mp_en_viaje: "and then," he follows, "george fox was great".
mp_en_viaje: as a factual matter, george fox was an offensive good for nothing know it all whose memory is not wort hpissing on.
mp_en_viaje: essence of old woman what the fuck!
mp_en_viaje: and THEN, to balance out the political unbearable idiocy, he wants to also add an artist.
mp_en_viaje: who does he want to add ?
mp_en_viaje: fucking hogwash, of "a rake's progress" and "marriage a la mode" fame.
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker, is this thing written by bowdler himself or what the fuck ?!
mp_en_viaje: then his idea of showing just how brilliant newton is, is to add logarithms to do multiplications and to tell some eager barrista her lifetime in seconds. because TOTALLY, this is exactly NOT historical newton, but an insulting parody made by the illiterate, with no fucking point of contact ewith actual reality besides the name.
mp_en_viaje: if newton was dumb enoguh to approach 3*7 via log and "antilog", he'd never have been "known by the claw", because no fucking claw here. in point of fact, the man was specificaslly famous for NOT doing the equivalent of the log detour, in situations where nobodyu else knew the direct route.
mp_en_viaje: and then, inverosimilously, his housekeeper, who memorized 3*6 and 3*8 as such, as pure symbols, "why 2 schillings and not 9 glubghsh?" does not know 21. because what the fuck, she's only been doing this for decades and it just didn't stick in her mind. she's a 6yo 50yo very respecable moron.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN charles is this guy who;s gonna pick up any maid he sees, because totally.
mp_en_viaje: i fail to see the difference between this shaw and yesterdays moron with the vasectomized real men. i do. it's not fucking present
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker.
mp_en_viaje: i've over the years reviewed a lot of widely distant grant proposals and then deliveries on those proposals ; but shaw's play here discussed is by very far the most disjunct. i feel defrauded.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN he has newton go into fucking monologue, like wanna-be shakespeare, "oh i am so and forth and my parents and my curse", what is he, fucking bastiano ?
mp_en_viaje: god damn it all to heck
mp_en_viaje: aite well, hello linz, and bbl again.
asciilifeform wakes up, tests, dulap still lost in space .
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
asciilifeform: i'm persuaded that the latech dummkopfs ~also~ have nfi what is pcap.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941240 << this is entirely good q.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:08:16 mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941254 << asciilifeform also not wwwist, but had to pick up e.g. the logotron, because no one else stood up. this is what happens when dire shortage of manpower.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:13 mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and the
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 - you know, I *want to* publish it but I have no working blog.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:40:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hrm last i was at console, ossasepia was reachable. but nao indeed not!!!
asciilifeform: ditto qntra
asciilifeform: apparently whole orchestra dead in water? BingoBoingo are you alive in there ? wtf ?
diana_coman: it's been unreachable since yesterday evening (or at least that's when I checked and found out nope)
asciilifeform: grr
asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right
asciilifeform: exactly as latech would have if it were run by people and not monkeys
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if BingoBoingo is in the cage nao, bazaring w/ latech, as was proclaimed ( and not, saw, cowering in a hole ) i expect today we'll get something resembling an answer.
asciilifeform: * not, say
diana_coman: asciilifeform: tbh that's the mind-boggling thing ie what exactly are/were latech doing; and I'd say BingoBoingo_ goes there with a flamethrower and doesn't leave until he finds out.
diana_coman: hopefully.
diana_coman: wb BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: atm it seems that not 1 single box is reachable.
asciilifeform waves to BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the morning's hopper http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Xr-u
asciilifeform: 'We are working on that with the ISP.' << who's 'the isp' ? antel ? can we cut out the layer of 'we' who 'are working with isp' ?!
asciilifeform: cuz that 'we' dun seem to be worth a dime
asciilifeform: ( why was diana_coman's 'we' able to digest the whole thing in <10min, and our 'we' takes 4days and still aint digested ? )
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo they have an office in there, don't they ? why are you stuck waiting for email replies ? go there
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: can you actually talk directly to anyone there and find out exactly, specifically, concretely just *what* they have been doing, step by step, since Friday attack-time until now?
diana_coman: because so far from the info coming out they have been doing just one thing, namely nullrouting your IPs and precisely nothing else.
asciilifeform: ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Phone call this morning, waiting on a call back
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: did they not even answer or why call back
diana_coman: ?
BingoBoingo: No .pcap
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how come it has to be via phone ? i was in that thing, there was a glass box with bipeds in it
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Someone is in a meeting/wants to talk to me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lower bipeds on pyramid of pretense in glass box
asciilifeform: and how about the actually in-command bipeds ? they are in brazil or where ? why can't get to'em in person ?
diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are either in the freezone nearby or aguada park on the other side of time
BingoBoingo: town
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun tell me you dun even know where?!
asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
asciilifeform: or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?!
BingoBoingo: But we do have Oscars: "We are working on that with the ISP. As soon as we get the information we will send you." showing they in all likelyhood don't know what pcap is
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The freezone office is door, behind a couple doors I don't have keys too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so, you show up there with a copy of the fucking signed contract, and 0 doors will open?!
asciilifeform: what kinda africa is this?!
BingoBoingo: Aite, I have paper contract in hand
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me that we're being elementarily defrauded, and that the very next thing to do will be to get whatever passes for attourney in that shithole.
asciilifeform: megabux -- in, bullshit -- out. this is actionable even in zimbabwe.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Going towards door
asciilifeform: aite.
asciilifeform going towards tea, brb.
asciilifeform back.
asciilifeform waits for word from the front.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
lobbes: The second chunk, which includes the searching and pingbacks portion, I am not sure yet.
lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
lobbes bbl
diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: happens to asciilifeform regularly, in this swampy penal colony.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, diana_coman , lobbes , i'ma have to regrind the latest patch, it is defective (and not simply on acct of the double quotes thing) , apparently in 'a' of diff had wrong copy of MANIFEST .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I have pressed only to active_disconnect, not further
lobbes: asciilifeform: roger that. I've yet to deploy latest patch anyways, so this'll work out
asciilifeform: this is why no one complained
asciilifeform: it's braindamaged tho and i'ma have to do it again, made coarse error of pilotage when vdiffing
asciilifeform: will make the removal of the broken doublequote thing a separate patch tho.
asciilifeform: or hm i ought to check again for 3rd time
asciilifeform: ok i was wrong, in fact was missing 'sept_errata' in the test press.
asciilifeform: 'detect_disconnect' is a valid patch.
asciilifeform: (however does not include removal of the doublequote thing, will be in next.)
asciilifeform: false alarm.
lobbes: kk
asciilifeform was quite ready to believe that he fucked even this, after last coupla days
lobbes: in that case I will deploy detect_disconnect tonight methinks. The mp-wp bot will probably end up forking from this point in the logotron tree as well
asciilifeform: tips for fyooyoor vtronicists : if press barfs that cannot find antecedent, use the 'o' (origin) knob on the unfound hash. will say if is even in tree anywhere
asciilifeform: lobbes: the autodisconnector in fact was thoroughly tested, while dulap was 'half alive' on sat.
asciilifeform: i had a chance to deploy right before the pipe's last epileptic fit .
lobbes: asciilifeform: aha, I did notice it detected the disconnects like a champ
asciilifeform: lobbes: it's a very simple mechanism. could probably be made moar sensitive ( turn knob down from 180 ) but it'd create a risk of spurious disconnects.
asciilifeform: so far 180 seems like entirely reasonable value to asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: hrm i prolly oughta patch vtron so that actually gives detailed barf when encounters an apparently 'martian' antecedent, and for ~all~ such encounters in full list.
asciilifeform: ( but when will get to do this, do not know atm )
asciilifeform: ( atm the barf you get if you , like asciilifeform , hamhandedly forgot to include a patch in 'patches' , is cryptic )
asciilifeform: a press that stops on 'MANIFEST' is dead giveaway tho.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941363 << could be insect (def. buggy here much like asciilifeform-istan). Though there are no visible 'bumps' that would indicate a bite. I've been prone to "styes" before as well, but in this case it is a more uniform swelling of the entire lid vs a stye which tends to be focused on one area.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 16:15:02 diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
lobbes: Though, now that I think of it, I may have just inadvertently scratched the inside of my eyelid the other day while rubbing it; irritation seemed to begin after that event. I'll let it alone and give it until tomorrow in any case before seeing doctor (perhaps save some time/money this way)
lobbes back to saeculum for a spell
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Back. I went to the freezone office, persisted at Latecho's intercom lock long enough to discover Maximiliano and Oscar together in the Tower 4 datacenter which houses our rack. Unlike the couple times last night where I visited a cool datacenter, it was hot and loud with the noise of angry fans. They declared that this isn't normal and that they had tried a routine "maneuver" with the air conditioners which failed. After
BingoBoingo: they washed their hands we proceeded the quieter coffee shop one floor up for the breaking of the balls. On the way up I mentioned how a client's other datacenter in "third world moldavia" managed to sent .pcaps and detailed information. I was told the files they have are not .pcaps but "huge", I told them I want them anyways, that more than anything I need all the information because 'this first week of October has already settled that
BingoBoingo: there will be zero nines of uptime for October.' That point kept being repeated... (coffee shop continuation next message)
BingoBoingo: I paid for my own coffe drink called a 'lagrima' in cash and waited as they fiddled with the Pasawar Intl billing information to order their drinks. Oscar did seem inclined to forward information, but Maximiliano, like his predecessor Rodrigo interjected a couple times that he wants the information passed when "the situation is resolved". Each of these interjections was answered with "I am running a business" and repetition of the point
BingoBoingo: that there will be no nines of uptime this month. (there's more)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's have the more
asciilifeform: 'maneuver with air conditioners?' what is this, chernobyl reactor 4 ?!
BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
BingoBoingo: only other non-Antel option they could have pursued in country is Telefonica/Movistar. Maxi boy appeared legitimately shocked when I pointed out Telefonica was shopping their Uruguay operation Pretrobras style and looking for an exit. Maximiliano said he was unfamiliar with that news. He his face contorted like an injured child's when I told him the news was in the local papers recently (there's more)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am submitting this testimony as I recollect it while it is fresh.
asciilifeform: aite, won't interrupt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to continue ?
BingoBoingo: They did mention they and dedicado were looking into "Arbor", this suggest that they googled DDoS mitigation. Maxi offered 1 MONTH as the timeframe to implement a reasonably stable solution other than blackholing. I responded that if that is the case, I am going to need ALL the information and I am going to need it now. There were deflections to Century Link and the wait there, and I responded with CenturyLink's notoriously poor
BingoBoingo: customer service and that their ASN's BGP declares Pasawar Intl peers with Antel. When pressed on what would happen if this was Antel I received a lot of "I dunno" and head hanging. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: At one point they did ask IF I HAD ANY INFORMATION! I responded no. I received no ransom notes or anything that suggests an attack. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: After leaving with Oscar's assurance informaiton will be sent and with the final request that I do receive everything, I swung by Tienda Inglesa and bought a hand truck because I'll probably need one. I arrived back at the desk to see one email from Maxi asking if I could send him my phone number again because my Movistar Uruguay phone number doesn't appear to be a Uruguay phone number. I have yet to receive a datadump or link to a data
BingoBoingo: dump from Oscar. (now to answer asciilifeform's first question in as much detail and context as I can)
asciilifeform: the other q , BingoBoingo , is : who the hell is maximiliano ? is he the chairman of latech ? ( cuz if not, what happened to this ?? )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:22:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just as concerning as the Airconditioner fuckup is who was addressing it. When you were here, you met Joaquim who is(was?) the guy in the glass box. He did glass box stuff. I have no earthly idea why Maxi the sales manager and Oscar the Telecom manager were THE PEOPLE to be fucking with the air conditioners.
BingoBoingo: There was a poor miserable looking girl in the glass box as a the receptionist.
asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maximillian is the sales manager.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for the handtruck there will be time later, when folx actually start to demand evacuation. presently you ought to be visiting 1) chairman's office, w/ contract in hand, and ready to explain exactly what will happen if service not restored (and compensation paid ). 2nd stop -- http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941177 , 3rd -- law office .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 20:27:07 mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud.
BingoBoingo: I suspect Latecho's situation degraded substantially and recently within the past month. It appears the folks who could run things quit or were chased out. Despite a recently installed giant multirack cage I assume is some streaming cache in the datacenter, Latecho does not appear healthy.
BingoBoingo: And yes, It appears it is time to start shopping the case for litigation
asciilifeform: it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt.
asciilifeform: that dc was less % full than our rack.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you ready to execute 1->2->3 ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Recently it filled up big. Someone put in a huged controlled access fence taking up 1 new aisle of Tower 4 and their racks are full. But yes I suspect they may be bankrupt/insolvent.
asciilifeform: diana_coman was entirely right , there is no moar time for waitings, BingoBoingo .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:13:29 diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
asciilifeform: no moar 'they will call me whenever, nfi when'
asciilifeform: time now , is for counterattack.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am ready to get rolling on 2-3. I suspect the target of 1 is in hiding. The contract was on the table as we discussed at the coffee shop. They looked at it and apeared to recognize what it was. I did not reference it or its text, but it was visible.
BingoBoingo: Before I get rolling on that I do want to address something up log.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
asciilifeform: ianal but even in fucking ru this is open&shut case
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941319 << I didn't manage to find the Trilema I wanted to link on that point. In the line I wanted to link you said something to the point of "raise rabbits, or do anything", I intend to litigate the Latecho issue, get more involved in National Party politics, etc. I wanted to honestly capture the despair my failure wrought on myself for myself and to read myself. And I feel less pregnant and more
BingoBoingo: married with respect to Pizarro. Yes I can see my approach as defective. I may need to do remedial work in Diana's schoolhouse.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect mp may have something useful to weight in with respect to knocking on chairman's door with contract first, or knocking on chairman's door with service papers first.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well mp's giving a meat violin concerto or the like atm. and time is of the essence. so i will say, chairman 1st, for so long as BingoBoingo knows the obvious thing to say (i.e. pointedly NOT 'pleez dear sir can haz pipe back' but instead 'this is about the continued solvency of your company, the next conversation will involve barrister, now let's have working pipe, guarantees, and compensation' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do not know how wise it is to tip the litigation hand and giving them warning.
BingoBoingo: Warning with which they could use to rush their probably inevitable bankruptcy filing
asciilifeform: well atm the fucker thinks he is stomping a defenseless insect. important to convey that he is mistaken.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
asciilifeform: atm we dun have a working isp, BingoBoingo . we MAYBE will have with what to build one, if the culprits are made to pay.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja ask , btw, that monkey, who said 'month', what we are expected to do for 'month' ? suck thumbs ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon.
asciilifeform: they're in breach of the contract BingoBoingo . elementarily. we've been paying for pipe, and aint getting no piping !!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I did. His face went dumb
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are, they are not sharing information in line with the industry standards they are expected to perform to, and we need to extract compensation from them from which to build euro-ISP or whatever.
asciilifeform: hm BingoBoingo what does that radio pipe cost ?
asciilifeform: i was able to get '3g' gsm in that bunker.
asciilifeform: from where was it ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They run fiber to the DC, but radio is what they provide to consumers and small businesses in remote areas.
BingoBoingo: I would like to spend the rest of this afternoon productively setting up lawyer auditions with my copy of the contract and the local Código de Commercio
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wasn't suggesting this as a long-term connectivity. but atm we even lack means of seeing wtf is happening in the cage.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite. watch for mp waking up, i expect he'll have what to add to this .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
asciilifeform: ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add )
BingoBoingo: I am too dumbfounded by what I heard today to believe any hard won minutes of uptime is going to be more revealing than working to begin litigation and forcing them to divulge in court.
asciilifeform: there is no moar avoiding of the law office an' the court, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands.
asciilifeform: unless they somehow find money in sofa cushion to settle
BingoBoingo: All of them doing TCP SYN without getting my dumps requested in person ours ago.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then we recoup value for yourself and mod6 from which to sprinboard next thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1st we hear from mp ; then to start taking reqs for evacuations.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not have anyffin personally owned in the cage. there is snsa iron, mp will be who decides when to evacuate. others -- themselves, ditto.
asciilifeform: same i believe goes for smg.
asciilifeform: trinque, mod6 , i think are the remaining. ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite. I'm going to give my mind digest and re-read time and then head out to knock on a couple doors to see who is hungry.
asciilifeform: aite.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo 1 moar thing :
asciilifeform: get the sealed FG stockpile outta there, and into somewhere well-hidden.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am going to be headed in the datacenter direction. Will make sure nothing's on fire and rescue those irreplaceables.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: About to head out the door. Orders have been issued to the Venezolanas to probe their networks for independent abogado/as with a manner uncommonly agressive for Uruguay with time to dedicate to a case pursuing maximum damages under the comemrcial and criminal codes for selling a faulty product advertised as first class for which just under 3000 USD a month has been paid the past 21 months. Going now to knock on a few
BingoBoingo: doors with the same pitch.
asciilifeform: goodluck BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: I want blood. You want blood. It's time to find some vampires to expedite the harvest. Morcilla is on the menu.
asciilifeform tested, for good measure, pipe, 100% stone-dead, incl. uy1.
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: heya
mp_en_viaje: o noes, original logger still dead ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i rec to eat log ( via diana_coman or lobbes ) in 1stpass
asciilifeform: logger aint the only thing that's dead.
mp_en_viaje: im doin' just that.
asciilifeform: ty mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile apropos of nothing, https://i.pinimg.com/736x/72/11/52/7211525863efabfe9f1b7bb3c2b91842--human-cow-cow-girl.jpg
asciilifeform: ty again mp_en_viaje , needed 1 of these .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 << she was gonna, but then... SHE DIDNT HAVE WHERE
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:40:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
mp_en_viaje: my whore spent a day crying in linz station. she'd also have penned a piece, who knows, mayhap master reads ? but, blog unavailable.
mp_en_viaje: by now the pile of fucked things is pretty consistent.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to eat that 1stpass. nuffing's available.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941292 << the 8 were hers not yours tho.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:41:27 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
asciilifeform: ^ entirely tru. but whothefuq even does ddos for ~anyone~ with 8 ? and how would these even be detectable as ddoslike.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno such detection happened, dude was asked weird q, sent over a capture, "closest item to what you ask for". at least was my read.
asciilifeform: entirely possib
mp_en_viaje: i did ~same, discussed as such, last night.
asciilifeform: aha
mp_en_viaje: "o, look, i got '''ddos''' graphs also".
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941296 << wait, how did you reason ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:48:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
mp_en_viaje: in my book you were the boss, he worked for you.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he took the job ( with encouragement of mp_en_viaje et al )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:05:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons
mp_en_viaje: can has link to said encouragement then ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, formally , is technical vizier, responsible for creation, maintenance, and sometimes emplacement, of irons.
mp_en_viaje: this is new to me.
asciilifeform: where accepted
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:28:56 mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo!
mp_en_viaje: oh ?
mp_en_viaje: i guess i've not been paying close enough attention to this then.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2018-07-13#1834407 thrd.
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-13 22:36:05 mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh
asciilifeform: ^ where nominated.
mp_en_viaje: nfi why i ended up with the idea he worked for you.
asciilifeform: because at one time he did.
mp_en_viaje: aite, well. evidently i wasn't watching all that closely. good there's a record.
asciilifeform: agonizingly detailed record.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941301 << so do you feel monotonically worse since we met ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:53:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yes, but given that asciilifeform aint a gurl, it has 0 impact on operations.
asciilifeform: i aint in the biz to 'feel better', ftr.
asciilifeform: if i wanted 'feel better', i know where the dope dealers live.
mp_en_viaje: so basically bingo was manager since last year, quietly "managed" "as best could", namely...
asciilifeform: loudly. erry fart is in the logs.
asciilifeform: ( which imho is as it should be )
asciilifeform: observe the chronology; at the time of asciilifeform's expedition, management still formally consisted of mod6 & ben_vulpes.
mp_en_viaje: you know, something is starting to come into focus. basically, republic is very effectual slut shredder. it massively attracts this sort of pleaser, who really really wants to be good. and then... ends up with tasks. and the tasks are... well... not actually designed, but simply what needs to be done. and sooner or later but sure as you'd like, the poor slut is on [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drei-hacken-36-56
mp_en_viaje: 0x840.jpg][the rack].
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: some amt of this is prolly not escapable in a mission like piz, which consisted largely of reconnaissance-by-fire. but yes this is likely the cardinal sin of ~erryone
mp_en_viaje: fundamental problem with any attempt at management is that you either discuss failure, or else BECOME failure. it's inescapable.
mp_en_viaje: but slut never wants to delineate failure, because in part well hammered into skull that "this isn't what pleasing is" through social milieu of ~shit ; and in part because just comes naturally.
mp_en_viaje: mix these two together, get things like we see.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
mp_en_viaje: eh, anyone's entitled to a day of thinking thinks through, what.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941311 << here's the problem : if every time some dork puts out 10k packets / 10 minutes the "isp" turns off an ip for a whole day, the piddly packet pissant is being amplified 24 * 6 = 144 by the "isp"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:32 asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
mp_en_viaje: ie, this isn't ddos, it's ispdos.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this was multilayer shit sandwich -- turned out the pipe was so threadbare, that even just the mini-ddos was enuff to make it ~unusable
asciilifeform: then, then, 'ispddos'.
mp_en_viaje: it's really no great philosophy to put out something like that, can prolly be done on ~free by finding say a weak pw wifi
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no one (at least not asciilifeform) was marvelling at the magnitude of the ddos or the ingenuity of the shooter
mp_en_viaje: in fact, by this standard trilema can leisurely ddos whoever the fuck.
mp_en_viaje: d^Hispdos i mean
asciilifeform still suspects that there wasn't even ~this~ ddos -- e.g. phuctor erry day got hrs of 1000+/reqs/sec from idjit search engines, not only pipe but even ~it~ never fell
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941312 << regularly these aren't even attacks, just monumentally ill set up spamatrons and the like. i linked examples, dude buys "out of the box" "solution", installs on "beefiest server available", has nfi what he's doing.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:57 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
asciilifeform: they're playing fucking games
mp_en_viaje: where was phuctor again ?
asciilifeform: dulap
asciilifeform: same place as logger
asciilifeform: dulap also served e.g. the rk example image, 2.5GB, downloaded by lotsa people w/ no ill effect on pipe
mp_en_viaje: all this at pizarro then ?
asciilifeform: yes!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform operates exactly 1 machine at piz, dulap, under banner of snsa, since the asciilifeform expedition flight when was installed.
mp_en_viaje: o wait, my plaintext ip address is being ddosed!!!
mp_en_viaje: hm, no, nope, false alarm :D
asciilifeform: lol
mp_en_viaje: keks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been tryin' to get mine in that ddos hopper since fri
asciilifeform: no dice so far
asciilifeform: let's reset it, lol, again...
mp_en_viaje: i had just loaded a webpage and got excited.
asciilifeform: a.
mp_en_viaje: O LOOK MARGE!!! THEMS BYTES!!!
mp_en_viaje: /sarcasm
asciilifeform: baitbot is a working logger btw (on the latest patch). just aint of any practical use, it's a fire magnet is all.
asciilifeform: ( cuz asciilifeform's torture room, unlike evidently uruguay, is set up for pcap etc )
mp_en_viaje: well, here's the secret : usually 0-ips aren't allocated, because... umm... people run loggers and things on those.
mp_en_viaje: so... yeah, whatever, if you operate your own ip space you should always have the damned thing at the ready.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941342 << umm... not usually how this works, is it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:15:33 asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in fact 'ready to fire' on dulap , but not kept running eternally (a tcpdump of ERRYTHING slows box to a crawl and will eat yer ssd in ~week)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, afaik usually set to headers only, and yeah generally not ssd but spinners set for it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941343 << not to bring a crass hickup to the choir here, but iirc you were paying a month about what my hotel costs / night ? it's not precisely maxint, not that i'm proposing anyone merits no value for money or anything like that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:16:36 asciilifeform: or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer hotel costs 2+k usbux / night ? impressive.
asciilifeform: ( didja rent entire hotel ?! rather than room ? )
mp_en_viaje: eh wth.
asciilifeform: i've never been in a 2100/night hotel. must be quite sumthing.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, here : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ho-tel.jpg
mp_en_viaje: now divide the slut herd by two, add one for me, multiply result by whatever eur:usd is these days and... there you go.
asciilifeform: hrm seems to redir to antispam
mp_en_viaje: curl -e "http://trilema.com"
asciilifeform: but i entirely believe that it is possible
asciilifeform loaded, sees 379 e / night for the max highend item .
mp_en_viaje: what's a room gonna do ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.
mp_en_viaje: well, i don't sleep with the womenz, for one thing.
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: so 1 for mp_en_viaje , 1 for pet 1+2, 1 for 3
asciilifeform: but i have nfi and will believe .
mp_en_viaje: but be all that as it may -- while certainly a respectable sum, by any measure, maxint it is not.
mp_en_viaje: not that it should be or anything. but hysteria self-lathering also doesn't help anything, how shall i put this, tryna walk the line here.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a considerable sum for cage even in usa, fwiw.
mp_en_viaje: yes, you definitely should receive value for money.
asciilifeform: i haven't tried the germanies and etc. but know the prices here.
mp_en_viaje: so, to circle back to it : it is conceivable that management may not immediately drop anything and cook a pot roast for you at their family home.
mp_en_viaje: that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either.
asciilifeform: we're 1 rack, of perhaps 20 that had any occupants. so equiv. to passenger on a bus where 20 riders. nevertheless if driver of bus throws a paying passenger from window, this is to be paid for, notwithstanding that he is only 1 of 20 and paid only 1/20th of what was in the till.
asciilifeform: the passenger may not have expectation to 'pot roast', but imho is justified in expectation of not flying from window.
mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
asciilifeform: well so far sent him to get barrister (sumthing that really oughta have been done aeons ago) rather than petrol.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i am at no juncture proposing that you shouldn't get what you paid for. i am however disputing the somewhat ill considered view whereby the reasonable escalation for your sandwich coming out wrong is calling the cops.
asciilifeform: well so far we're a reseller of sandwich and in latest incoming crate they're fulla maggots.
mp_en_viaje: i seem to remember lawyer was on the original list of requisites he didn't get, back in the day. understand how this works : either you have ~from before~, or you... well, do not use.
mp_en_viaje: thats how this works.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what wouldja have him do ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against his trying, but i am encouraging you to moderate your expectations. if he couldn't find legal support when he didn't need it, how likely is it he'll find it now ?
asciilifeform: latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have high expectations.
mp_en_viaje: very similar to getting laid : if you couldn't make any female friends in general, how likely is it you'll make some while holding your erection ?
asciilifeform: Bingo seems to be in agreement w/ asciilifeform's direction, 'fight way out of encirclement while you still have ammo'
mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
asciilifeform: iirc BB actually tried at onset, found his lang skill insufficient at that juncture.
asciilifeform: but i'ma let him answer when comes back.
mp_en_viaje: understand something : the very absurdist style of unbounded exaggeration currently fashionable is quite unhelpful in crisis situations. all it practically does is stress out the crew.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:53:05 mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far as I k
asciilifeform: woah, mp_en_viaje concerned with stress of crew ?!!! ~nao~ i must ask, mp_en_viaje are you mp_en_viaje right nao or is hanbot filling in at console ( check out, also forgot that phuctor lived in dulap ? ) plox to fess up!111
mp_en_viaje: yes, it's bad that pizarro-upstream link is via email through indian call center. but the solution to this bad is not "afterwards, send someone to manager's home, in a clown car". the solution is in the past : should've made better contacts.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, wait, she's the nicer one of us ?!
mp_en_viaje: but no, it's actually me.
asciilifeform will buy
mp_en_viaje: nor can anyone else log into trilema to upload pics, for that matter.
asciilifeform will also buy
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if i'm getting my point across here.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ?
mp_en_viaje: the former, i read something about maxint, something about flamethrower, then something about ~stalking some randos that don't even know you...
mp_en_viaje: what is this, a comedy show ?
asciilifeform: latech was eating the lion's share of piz operating cost. and delivering, as turned out, pipe made of wet tissue. finally said tissue dissolves. BingoBoingo goes on careful fact-finding, finds monkeys making monkey noises re 'wait a month, maybe we'll fix' . can call comedy, tragicomedy, whichever.
mp_en_viaje: i was discussing your output, not that.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today.
mp_en_viaje: you told him to do three things (incomprehensible, i thought he was the manager) none of which he can safely do or are liable to help anything if done.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: sitting still also not 'safe to do'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, alternatively you could you know, just take a chill pill, keep talking like normal.
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma get some air, brb
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam, but why direct it at him.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941360 << i ain't got the resoruces to multi-derp this. one shot, pass or fail, and ideally pass.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:09:47 lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941361 << night time spider byte ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:14:48 lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
mp_en_viaje: o hai BingoBoingo
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
BingoBoingo: I am back. Nothing lit on fire. Now for mission report.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941621 << I will be sitting down with them tomorrow. I've been knocking doors to see if there's a hungrier, more aggressive model.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:11:00 mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
BingoBoingo: This datacenter mission I did get a chance to talk to Oscar alone. He was more informative without Maxi present. Pressed on whether Joaquim and other named folks I was acustomed to dealing with were still employed by Latecho he responded in the negative. Oscar also showed me his whatsapp conversations where he was begging with upstream folks. This supports the morning's hypothesis Latecho recently decerebrated while installing a bunch
BingoBoingo: of fancy new cages.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941537 << I don't know about lifetime, but some sort of produtive, structured penance is in order. I do feel much less despondent after making two adult age males go pale.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 17:21:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941608 << I am convinced burning it down will do nothing other than incur more costs.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:05:45 mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
mp_en_viaje: in principle, there's strictly no defense from "partner sold out to sysco, new "careerwoman" dumb cunt installed in charge of it wrecked it". hapened to hp, can happen to you.
BingoBoingo to start scheduling auditions
mp_en_viaje: for as long as usg.dubaloo still deemed money, such nonsense can occur.
BingoBoingo: ISPddOs aside, Latecho does not appear to be anywhere near as healthy as they were when I arrived. The sales manager was on airconditioner duty. I strongly suspect the Freezone conversation happened through the intercom because they didn't want to reveal their falta de recursos humanos.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941414 < you know, it may not all be about you. conceivably.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:53:03 asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
BingoBoingo: Their problems seem to go beyond their ability to serve us.
mp_en_viaje: from what i've been reading
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941420 << well, the whole personel turnover thing is rather characteristic of imploded tech co, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:57:58 asciilifeform: it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941430 << i think your ideas as to how "roman law" systems work in ex spanish colonies are ... a little off kilter.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:07:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
mp_en_viaje: the majority of the leverage there was the public shaming ; if ~bankrupt that's not much leverage.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941439 << i... i jsut can't even. this thing became painful to read.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:21:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
BingoBoingo: The courts here do handle evictions far more quickly than across the river. Other than the former tax shelter reasons Argentines prefer property ownership in Uruguay because the courts do move (speed may vary when a Soviet monopoly is involved). Following some sit downs I hope to have a better picture on the chance to recover something, but I do want redundancy here. I've learned at least that much.
mp_en_viaje: nothing wrong with that.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the roadmap asciilifeform paints (sue in uy, win, actually get paid, use proceeds to produce euro isp) is unlikely, if nothing else then because dockets routinely run multi-month in civil court, appeals are common, expense while not maxint also not trivial, and failure to pay civil judgements in corporate world a regular occurence.
BingoBoingo: Based on the new enclosed aisle, I suspect there is the possibility there aren't entirely bankrupt. They may be ineptly pivoting to dumb provision of space for local heathen caches.
mp_en_viaje: possibly.
asciilifeform back
mp_en_viaje: i entirely see no problem with you continuiong on this course, as a training exercise, for you. i do not have the expectation it will make money, your case is not actually that strong.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. )
mp_en_viaje: "your honor, we rented a fucktoy" "when ?" "two years ago" "and ?" "last month it sprung a leak" turns to other party, "what do you have to say ?" "fuck them" turns back to you "okay... and what do you want ?" "we want money" "how's last month's sound ?" "umm" "so ordered"
mp_en_viaje: at his point you have a civil judgement worth what was it, TWO nights hotel stay, and whatever legal fees. and now have to get it fulfilled, will need to find an executor or w/e, sheriff.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I planned to drink to death, I wouldn't have done a moral inventory last night.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: to picture for a moment that the action were in 'civilized' rather than orcistani court -- if warehouse springs leak, and rain pours through it for week, and five customer's worth of wheat dissolves, i expect > 'month' would be owed.
mp_en_viaje: no argument, if you know all the tricks of the trade six months down the road yo ucan sit down to a juicy aged angus steak out of their money.
mp_en_viaje: but...
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you have to read more commercial contracts.
mp_en_viaje: if fire in hotel burns down my stashes of euros in the hotel safe, they're not liable.
mp_en_viaje: notwithstanding its their fucking safe for the express purpose etcetera.
asciilifeform: well in usa, matters even moar simple , dun even need to read that the fella with the weightier bank balance is 'innocent' and the 1 with the lighter -- 'liable', ~100% of the time
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, people who drink to death rarely plan to.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I am familiar with that as well.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's a lulzy era1 thread where asciilifeform had to, for salt mine reasons, lease a bank box, and read the contract..
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the reason i mentioned that yest was as a pressure tactic, not as a revenue generator.
mp_en_viaje: it doesn't seem, taking BingoBoingo 's description at face value, that pressure's likely to deliver much.
mp_en_viaje: either because indeed, some ustard bought them out, thinking to cut down 90% of expense ie personnel and keep 50% of income by moving away from dc business to netflix cache
mp_en_viaje: or because whatever, owner had aneurysm, looted corp payroll and ran off to hooklandia
mp_en_viaje: or for any other reason -- dead horse will trot no miles.
mp_en_viaje: but in principle this is not actionable, in any practical case not very far, where "i bought milk each day from milk shop" "And ?" "now it wants to sell out, become dildo shop" "so ?" "so wherre do i get my milk ?".
mp_en_viaje: all sort & manner of tards keep trying this tack, resulting in "anti-gentrification" and assorted bla bla, but it is a seed born dead.
asciilifeform: if they simply closed down, would then match this description. but instead started delivering milk that's 50% baccilae
mp_en_viaje: seems to me your ips are in fact closed down.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: without a 'we terminated yer contract as of thursday' to go with it, tho
mp_en_viaje: true enough. whic hyes, leaves some room. but it'll not make you significant dough in context.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo when last paid'em ?
mp_en_viaje: possibly most important thing right now is to image all customer data.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last bolus went to them early september
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not to mention iirc there was a security deposit
mp_en_viaje: because if tomorrow you also can't get into cage, and anyone's not got bakcups, you'll have a much worse problem.
asciilifeform: which they owe .
asciilifeform: and yes, as mp_en_viaje said.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ?
mp_en_viaje: do you have some offsite backup scheme in place, asks mp, fully dreading the obvious "um...." answer.
mp_en_viaje: as thing stand i can't think of one.
asciilifeform does , but cannot speak for others
asciilifeform: backups that is
mp_en_viaje: not like you can't put it back in, at moderate cost
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, not " asciilifeform as asciilifeform ". pizarro as pizarro.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo seems already bought the wheelbarrow.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: all piz-specific soft afaik is backed up .
mp_en_viaje: ...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo anything i'm missing on this score ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, tonight I will grab user data and databases off of the shared server.
mp_en_viaje: are you deliberately thick or just naturally ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: piz aint a tea&lemons provider, customers RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN BACKUPS
mp_en_viaje: yes. and you think this is a reason to not do it ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ? << Because it tips the hand. If you want to litigate...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: go then, to backup.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who the fuck's gonna notice, receptionist girly ?
mp_en_viaje: from your story everyone too busy doing the plumbing with own hands.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the stock of spare ssds should suffice to grab errything.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: At this hour no one. I will go and grab backups.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme know if you need helping hand (tho will be limited in what i can do w/out a working pipe straight to machines.)
mp_en_viaje: why limited ? you could indicate which local houses to burn down from the flamethrowing helisub.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to plug a ssd into dulap when yer done. grab in the morning. ( would like a fresh copy if possible )
asciilifeform: or grr nm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know. Once things are collected I will need a working ftp server somewhere to park customer data GPG tarballs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: shut down dulap & pocket the drives.
asciilifeform: (dun fughet to label'em)
BingoBoingo: Will label everything I take out.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: drives imho oughta be evacuated (1st to BingoBoingo's flat, then, at option of customers, fedex) prior to and posted separately from machines per se.
mp_en_viaje: well, we can get one in moldavia
asciilifeform: for instance.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941454 << the ganged ac thing was a lulzy epic story
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:38:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
mp_en_viaje: can sneak some pics at all ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I would like to wait for customer instructions on how they would like their drives handled before pulling everything.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941658 << i was aboutta ask !! holyshit, where did they put the hot exhaust ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:51:46 BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
asciilifeform: straight back into the hall ?!
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: At this point I don't see why not.
mp_en_viaje: hit it then.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It looks like they exhausted to the parking garage
asciilifeform: through what? door propped with brick?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... door propped open with prop
asciilifeform: i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941455 << i dunno why this is so dramatique all the time. not like we didn't know you two have no fucking clue what you're doing going in.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:39:30 asciilifeform: ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:10:13 asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ?
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fairnuff
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there << Consumer standup portable A/C
asciilifeform: wow.
mp_en_viaje: you know, the WARMERS
BingoBoingo: Plugs into exhaust tube
BingoBoingo: Aite, back to the dungeon.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941653 << funnily , 1 of the places asciilifeform wanted to try parking dulap in '17 , was a (largely empty) telco exchange 2km from house. reputedly, gives a locking rebar cage for <1.5k/m . and in the heart of the beast. the thing, i suspect if had done this, it'd still be there, working..
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:49:37 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
mp_en_viaje: and how much for the pipe ?
asciilifeform: ( never went even as far as asciilifeform getting through door, cuz landed in a snake pit of 'maximilianos' each of whom claimed 'oh noez this dc is nao owned by X' for 3 circling values of x )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pipe incl. iirc 1Gb/s.
asciilifeform: but this was a dud.
mp_en_viaje: understand the weakness in these "still be there" : a month ago, you were complaining pizarro pipe is too stable. these things are always fine until not anymore, and never before.
asciilifeform: this applies to errything.
asciilifeform: old man's heart ticks until not.
mp_en_viaje: right.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to set a matter of record straight : it is not ~necessarily~ the case oscar is lying re "dedicado"->centurylink. that's why man on the ground / contacts beats remote in these things. there's half a dozen way the peering data can be fudged into unreliability
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941458 << it's incomprehensible to me why you compare these two as such. it almost reads as if you imagine some dude in moldavia somehow captured packets on YOUR interface in uruguay at diana's request and then misrepresented it to her as her own. wtf ?!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:40:45 BingoBoingo: Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's unproven, but imho not baseless, theory, that both were targeted using same net
mp_en_viaje: "i went to herpetologist for my snake and my cousin went to hematologist for her blood, and my snake's tooth count came way smaller than her platelets. wtf medicine is a scam"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's deeply unlikely, seeing how... by the same logic your fuckbot was also targetted by same net.
mp_en_viaje: so thousands, 8, 0 ? wtf set of data is this.
asciilifeform: lesse whether mp_en_viaje still holds this pos, when there's >1 tmsr box in that moldavia and it gets 1tb/s sustained.
mp_en_viaje: is the idea pizarro boxes were hit with 1tb/s for a while ?
asciilifeform: nfi
mp_en_viaje: then why not 1pb/s ?
asciilifeform: it is impossible, from the shit drippings coming from latech, to say
asciilifeform: point is that there's no actual limit to these
mp_en_viaje: i don't understand what you;re saying.
asciilifeform: that ddos of almost arbitrary size is comparatively cheap, vs the defense.
mp_en_viaje: do we by "the defense" mean not giving a shit, or do we by "the defense" mean nullrooting ips ?
asciilifeform: meant, actual defense .
asciilifeform: where you can carry on to sit and notgiveashit.
mp_en_viaje: i recall at least one instance where trilema was down and my defense of not giving a shit for a week or so came remarkably cheap to me.
mp_en_viaje: cca 2015 maybe ?
asciilifeform: incidentally quite respectably sized chumpnet was recently abruptly changed owner.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:43:49 ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 17:53:51 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/dutch-bulletproof-host-down-eurocops-plea-mirai-botnet/ << Qntra -- Dutch "Bulletproof" Host Down, EuroCops Plea "Mirai Botnet"
mp_en_viaje: sadly... i can't read it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/0NcnD
mp_en_viaje: a ty
mp_en_viaje: watrevs, 5 machines dun figure in anything.
asciilifeform: which 5 ?
mp_en_viaje: the confiscated machines. what, is the idea they cc'd the whole thing ?
asciilifeform: is claimed.
mp_en_viaje: not afaik how mirai/any current botnet works.
asciilifeform: and i won't dismiss out of hand, people continue (why? dunno) to make pyramidally-shaped botnets.
asciilifeform: and mno, is how most of'em still work.
mp_en_viaje: maybe "people" who key in stuff they read on cca 2002 edition of slashdot /
mp_en_viaje: most by count or most by what ?
asciilifeform: mno. the current crop.
mp_en_viaje: hm
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: by mass.
mp_en_viaje: i have trouble believing/.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also had trouble believing, before working as pro exterminator for these in '12-15. (possible that sumthing has changed since, but from what i presently know -- has not.)
mp_en_viaje: but that is a decade ago
mp_en_viaje: im talking 2019, post bitcoin-ransoms, post ddos-for-hire etc.
mp_en_viaje: not 2012 ffas.
asciilifeform: the only step to 'p2p'ism that has become moar common, is the use of 'randomly generated domain using time of day where to look for command' ('dga') but even this not universal.
mp_en_viaje: yup, sha(unixtime(hdmy).salt).org for sure.
asciilifeform: at any rate, for our purposes afaik dun matter what kinda botnet. nor have i a connection to draw from that point to what we've got. so will leave subj alone for nao.
asciilifeform: ( the other connection, naturally, is -- per the snowden dox -- usg never throws away botnet, when finds, but uses always . )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941464 << was it snsa owned a machine and smg another one, and renting a 3rd ? i thought we had mostly sold all iron to piz, will have to look through all these.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:44:10 asciilifeform: same i believe goes for smg.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the primary smg machine is still owned by smg.
asciilifeform: was to be sold, when replacement delivered.
asciilifeform: BB will correct me if i'm wrong on this pt.
mp_en_viaje: none of this needs to take up cycles nao
mp_en_viaje: it's all in the logs, not going anywheres anyway
asciilifeform: aite.
asciilifeform: might make a diff re where to evacuate irons to, when this time comes.
asciilifeform: incidentally, mp_en_viaje , all the irons that asciilifeform personally worked on, have his seals on'em, and these should still be intact.
mp_en_viaje: well, if they're not, we'll sue.
asciilifeform: hm i thought 'suing orcs dunwork'
mp_en_viaje: /sarcasm
asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform cleans his sarcasm sensor w/ freon can
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i imagine most iron is headed for the local reseller, used hw prolly not worth shipping OUT of orcistan
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't speak for others, but anyffing i touch will be hosted on this same type of opteron, and with same raid, and w/ same FG .
mp_en_viaje: ah, so you rather want them back /
mp_en_viaje: ?
asciilifeform: snsa's -- indeed
mp_en_viaje: aite, well, instead of going to deliver boxes, can go to... retrieve. make point of showing to customs, "see ? told you it's for fair!"
asciilifeform: and to smg i'd also recommend to use the same, but is decision not for me but for mp_en_viaje & co, if they'd rather host on intel w/ ipmi and intel rng, is not my biz
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: i expect fedex will get'em out to wherever for 1-2 hundy.
asciilifeform: orc customs is an 'in' problem rather than 'out' afaik.
mp_en_viaje: well muh dear space-admiral & mars mission commandant... it dun seem to be so much a question of what i'd rather. does it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we're all still stuck with a different set of 'rathers' .
asciilifeform: for each -- his own.
mp_en_viaje: but i suppose this is not entirely without merit -- diana_coman see next you talk to that guy whether he also colos boxes ?
asciilifeform: he does, or so told asciilifeform (see linked thrd)
mp_en_viaje: i'd say "call him over here", but the problem is i'm traveling, can't keep this always on and watched.
asciilifeform: i was actually preparing a modest box to go there
asciilifeform: fella even offered serial port via temp box, given that i refuse to ipmi
mp_en_viaje: a right. i recall now.
asciilifeform: ( he's got no kvm )
mp_en_viaje: well, why not, can send the smg there then i guess.
asciilifeform: could. 1st must ask BB for favour , to prepare it to talk on serial console if it doesn't already.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, see what diana_coman thinks also. what's your idea re phuctor iron ?
asciilifeform: already said, neh
asciilifeform: i built it out of waht i built it, for a reason, and if disappeared would build again outta same. so yes would like it back.
asciilifeform: and rehomed whenever find to where.
asciilifeform: ea. of these is equipped w/ 2 FG btw.
asciilifeform: internally.
asciilifeform: ( this is also where was the snsa logger . )
mp_en_viaje: that's what i was asking about, rehomed where
asciilifeform: so far the moldavian is looking good.
asciilifeform: certainly compared to our deceased horse.
asciilifeform apprehensive about re-creating a piz-style 'target rich envir.' in moldavia, but all of asciilifeform's attemps to find reasonable hosters ended in broken teeth
mp_en_viaje: maybe bb could move to moldavia, take employment with same lolz
mp_en_viaje: "hi mr. we want to colo these boxes and this son"
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform in fact speaks both of the langs spoken in moldavia...
asciilifeform: it's terra incognita tho, tbf.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, come to think about it, see if guy is avail for a conf tomorrow morning say 10 to 11 osterreich time ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, my first http://trilema.com/2009/nsfw-topless/ was in moldavia.
asciilifeform: neato.
asciilifeform: afaik they've a nicely deadlocked gov, too, with a putin prime minister and a usg parliament.
asciilifeform does not know if that pencil balanced on its point is any kind stable state. but last i knew, was such.
mp_en_viaje: nfi, haven't been there in 20+ years
asciilifeform: what we won't have, in moldavia, is obv. (unless he in fact does go there) a BingoBoingo to swap disks, inspect seals, move hoses around in <1hr on request, and such nice things. but what can do.
mp_en_viaje: it was cheap, had nice wine, and idem girls. possibly still.
asciilifeform: if BB becomes new rezident, can enjoy the gurlz (tho prolly oughta leave the wines)
mp_en_viaje: when i landed in chisinev, mid 90s, it had just came out as law or somesuch apparently that all cunts must wear miniskirts with pantyhose. dedicated sellers of pantyhose on all street corners and not a single warm blooded xx humanoid in any other garb.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: so, let's put on record properly, evacuation officially on ? BingoBoingo to send word to latech to stop charging for pipe, they've breached contract ? or are we to hold out for some unlikely concession
mp_en_viaje: i thought consensus among you two was that pipe's not coming back on. he said "nobody there can turn it back on" and you said "even if they did, i wouldn't trust it"
mp_en_viaje: this not so ?
asciilifeform: it ~could~ come back on. but this won't fix structural problem imho. ~might~ give time to negotiate a straight-from-antel, in theory.
asciilifeform: supposing subscribers not already set bozo bit .
mp_en_viaje: allow me to quote chapter and verse then. as to 1 : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941443 ; as to 2 : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941440
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:31:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:28:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
asciilifeform: right
mp_en_viaje: i have not what to argue with this ; nor any reaso nto argue. seems to me the one remaining thing to protect is the physical machines.
asciilifeform: seems so.
mp_en_viaje: well then that's what it is.
asciilifeform: ( secondarily, the remnant of the acct balance at latech, but i honestly dun expect to see it again 'like own ears w/out mirror'(tm) )
mp_en_viaje: you have a balance ?
mp_en_viaje: i thought you owed ~now.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mno, there was a security deposit, + remnant of month afaik.
mp_en_viaje: when is your month end with them ?
mp_en_viaje: don't tell me "the exact day before ispdos started" ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: a q for BingoBoingo when he wakes up.
mp_en_viaje: i thought he was over at dc
asciilifeform: oh yea
asciilifeform would like to give BingoBoingo room to try maneuvers involving 'the other dc' or whatnot, but at his option, and in consultation w/ subscribers .
mp_en_viaje: i believe it is unwise to build floors atop chairs. usually chairs atop floors.
mod6: asciilifeform: The tbf box in the rack would be nice to be backed up -- I believe, from memory, this is a raid configuration in there. If the drives are pulled and not numbered correctly, probably can't re-create.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: remains , imho, to be seen, whether 'floors' even exist.
asciilifeform: possibly -- chairs all the way down.
mod6: It serves two functions: 1. tbf website, 2. trb node.
asciilifeform: mod6: i didn't build your box, but if it's a '3ware', order dun matter
mp_en_viaje: be that as it may, "ima try to start isp while these people are waiting to get plugged back in" is like "ima try to build restaurant in front of queue of hungry people". the correct way is to build first and then queue.
asciilifeform: so long as you actually get ~your~ drive set and not someone else's mix.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje this is so.
mod6: Ah, ok. I can't be certain it is a 3ware. Maybe BB can check inside the box.
mp_en_viaje: mod6, i never ran into this order problem in a raid before ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is, the nearest restaurant is across atlantic, will take time to get to it in any case.
mp_en_viaje: (admittedly because back when people did, i didn't need nor could afford such things)
mod6: I'd like to see the whole box backed up, but really, (iirc) the /var partition holds the website data. The node chain is less important.
asciilifeform: mod6: chain is cheap as dirt.
mp_en_viaje: well... it is your chain.
asciilifeform: but if you want it, mod6 , will have to get it
asciilifeform: i expect BingoBoingo will help.
mod6: mp_en_viaje: Fair enough, I seem to remember this as a problem with striping.. like a RAID 5.
asciilifeform: mod6: if it was '3ware' or similar respectable card, it writes drive # to 1st block.
mod6: asciilifeform: that'll suffice. will work with BB as needed.
mod6: asciilifeform: ah, ok, good to know.
asciilifeform: i do not know what mod6 had tho, it was his own iron.
asciilifeform: ditto trinque .
mod6: gotta run out for some meat. will be keeping up on logz tho. ttyl.
asciilifeform: laters mod6
asciilifeform: incidentally network is down to 3, maybe 4, working trb noades, such as are known to asciilifeform .
mp_en_viaje: i guess ima put a node on the new trilemabot machine too, why not.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform was provisioning a noad-capable box too, for moldavia test .
asciilifeform: ( 1tb 'samsung pro' )
mp_en_viaje: trb node very fine tester indeed.
asciilifeform: as stands, noad needs at least 2GB dedicated ram, and tb of ssd is known to live for >2y . (not counting fill, which will fill in ~4y guaranteed as the chain marches)
asciilifeform nao stuck figuring out what to do with 15 rk's...
asciilifeform: 16 really, 1 was spare.
asciilifeform: ( what do do with the 6 at piz, will be for the shareholders to ponder )
asciilifeform not invoiced BingoBoingo for the 16 , or their chassis/etc
asciilifeform: generally i dun invoice until box is assembled, tested, and flown.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if pipe is in fact restored, will make easier for folx to backup. but other than that i think is curtain call.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma point 'nosuchlabs.com' at yer www again, like during last exile in the desert, if you dun object. (plox to say if ok w/ this and then which ip prefer)
asciilifeform: so happens that i renewed it last wk for next 9 years.
mp_en_viaje: well i mean, it was lulzy on friday. by the time sunday rolled into monday which is now solidly tuesday as i write this... hypocalcemic syncope is one thing, but if she's not back on her feet by next week...
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't object, but does it do anything/need me to do anything /
asciilifeform: nope.
mp_en_viaje: not very convenient to fuck with root right now
mp_en_viaje: aite.
asciilifeform: i'm ok that it goes to random mp_en_viaje page . ( can't point at own www yet, it's still on that heathen random-ip-of-the-week thing )
mp_en_viaje: keks
mp_en_viaje: well, if you didn't move it for pizarro, maybe now to moldavia :D
asciilifeform: was actually why asciilifeform took an interest in the moldavia fella. was thinking 'can finally put asciilifeform's blog'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i specifically did not want it in piz, cuz already had dark thought re target-rich envir.
asciilifeform: '3 smoking from same match'
mp_en_viaje: aha
asciilifeform: will switch it tomorrow .
asciilifeform wonders what is his remaining use on battlefield. e.g. snsa is approx as alive as piz...
asciilifeform: nao i haven't even a logger .
asciilifeform: to others, goes the torch of logotron .
asciilifeform: diana_coman and lobbes .
asciilifeform: fallen is phuctor. (it was gonna get fatter disks, in resupply crate, so can actually go through those ssl dumps , to date has been doing 'random sample' of'em erry wk )
asciilifeform: i'ma carry on w/ peh (needs keccak) , perhaps mp_en_viaje & co will still find use for it .
mp_en_viaje: well, we can talk about nsa later this week, ima have to write report anyways. one thing at a time neh ?
asciilifeform: aite.
asciilifeform will complete 'peh' even when exiled to pluto, imho it needs doin'
asciilifeform: i dun expect it will make riches tho.
mp_en_viaje: piling everything together, "my car got a flat tire, and come to think of it my wife is annoying also" is a great way to find suicide appealing and naught much else. not exactly rational review.
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform also dealing with a possibly-imploding salt mine, for extra kicks
mp_en_viaje: things should be reviewed on merits, and periodically, but on merits and periodically, not whenever got a paper cut.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't say i've much to claim as 'merits' in recent time.
mp_en_viaje: isn't that a sobering thought.
asciilifeform: if were japanese prolly already would have appointed kaishakunin and bought white sheets etc.
mp_en_viaje: white sheets are always good to have in any case.
asciilifeform: put full throttle since late may into piz & logger. nao have neither.
mp_en_viaje: well, actually, your logger is widely distributed and you have it, except for not atm on a box.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. 'm' also was for piz. came to 0. )
lobbes: logger vpatch still exists because asciilifeform tho
lobbes: mp-wp bot couldn't be a thing without it, for example
asciilifeform: lobbes: nao time for the young heroes.
mp_en_viaje: i daresay most of the benefit of pizarro was in training you inept tards to some (probably minuscule) degree.
mp_en_viaje: that, you also carry with you.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )
mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.
mp_en_viaje: but ultimately, the reason experience's so painfully expensive, is that nobody takes so much from it ever.
mp_en_viaje: pizarro had a decent run in spite of management ; that it came to an end... it ran for 20+ months neh. plenty of time.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1941985 << fwiw i've never worked anywhere that didn't eventually die. even that usg army lab -- closes.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent.
asciilifeform: *closed
mp_en_viaje: right.
asciilifeform: last go around, asciilifeform was stuck in 'butugychag' (physically commuted-to hellhole) for 6+mo.
asciilifeform: ~0 useful output.
asciilifeform: was also when lost good % of net worth in the alphago thing.
mp_en_viaje: which was this ?
asciilifeform: was in the last days of bitbet.
mp_en_viaje: oh oh, google go bot
asciilifeform: aha
mp_en_viaje: lol, remember the 1k btc berkshire bet ?
asciilifeform actually followed the last convulsions of bbet, and the end of era1, on hidden terminal in a snakepit fulla unspeakable usg stooges
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: of course remember
mp_en_viaje: good times.
asciilifeform: all times eventually remembered as 'good times', is how the meat worx
asciilifeform: 'we were younger then'(tm)(r)
mp_en_viaje: in my case it's more a case of "oh, remember when the old shcmucks srsly thought they stand a chance ?"
asciilifeform: !o seen Mocky
ossabot: Mocky last seen here on 2019-09-04 22:48:05: I fell down a rabbit hole
mp_en_viaje: but anyways, having now read this 771 line / 19k words log twice, ima to bed.
asciilifeform: !o seen-anywhere Mocky
ossabot: Mocky last seen in #trilema on 2019-09-04 22:48:05: I fell down a rabbit hole
mp_en_viaje: take it easy all.
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941645 << at my current rate of developing the thing, I will give a tentative estimate of Jan 1st 2020 as delivery date of whole enchilada. I will update this deadline quickly if I see it threatening to be pushed
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:34:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: i expect there'll be a where-to-park then.
lobbes: seems like folks are aiming towards diana_coman's contact huh
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik the only promising parking atm.
asciilifeform: remains to be seen how will behave on battlefield, but so far could be worse
asciilifeform: d00d seems willing to colo, gave price.
asciilifeform: ( iirc diana_coman took a leased stock machine rather than colo )
lobbes: willing to gpg and accept btc too, it seems
asciilifeform: looxlike
asciilifeform: this in itself is rare.
lobbes: I may look into getting another box from them myself; gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster
asciilifeform: not 1 of the fucktards i abortively talked to in '17 was willing to eat btc.
asciilifeform might be unusual, but often prefers to pay in orc scrip because sitting on a vehehehery modest and rapidly dwindling pile of btc
lobbes: that was why I went with orc scrip with my current hoster. I also have small pile
lobbes: even worse, I dun even have a working trb node
asciilifeform: lobbes: i had enuff for maybe 1 moar refuel of piz and then fat zero.
asciilifeform: piz was also my last working means for buying coin .
lobbes: same, I'm glad I bought little bits when it was alive at least. I'll miss those auctions
asciilifeform: ~100% of the coin asciilifeform ever had, in fact came from the people here.
lobbes: I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings; found this place in time
asciilifeform: lobbes: i mined (yes) 1st, on the pile of junkyard fpga i happened to have surrounded self with at the time .
asciilifeform: did not want to deal with the 'btc komoyooniti', found it repulsive.
asciilifeform: eventually bought a little from 'gox' right before it chernobyled.
asciilifeform: then only had from friends, all of whom incidentally still here .
asciilifeform: also at one point sold a mythical kingdom to some unknown fella for a little.
asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.
lobbes: lolwut duckdom
asciilifeform: !o s urbit
ossabot: 121 results for "urbit" in #trilema
asciilifeform: lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was.
asciilifeform: point being, in asciilifeform's eyes only makes sense to spend personal coinz if can buy it back ~immediately at same or better price. which is difficult to do.
asciilifeform: so normally i see it as 'non-renewable resource', like to sell organs.
asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform was building boxen, so managed to not only burn most of coin stash on it, but fiatola saving also.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform cannot safely receive fiatola from humans. so that's where got with what to build. )
lobbes: ah okay, so you arbitraged a shitcoin in a sense
asciilifeform: it will be a while before asciilifeform can again participate in building anything that material costs more than electrons .
asciilifeform: or to go overseas etc.
asciilifeform: had reserved for resupply crate and its contents, tho.
asciilifeform: lobbes, diana_coman : logotron tree updated, removed 'shlex' , tested with bare hands on local staging box ( baitbot ! ) , can be used .
asciilifeform: lobbes: i was sadly unable to mirror your patches, as they lived in piz. when you find new home for your www, i will mirror. (otherwise feel free to paste as comments, and i'ma try and parse'em out)
asciilifeform: sigs, that is
asciilifeform: iirc lobbes had sigs for existing patches.
asciilifeform: bot is unaffected by this patch, diana_coman & lobbes can emplace w/out reset .
lobbes: asciilifeform: ack re: sigs. I'll let you know once I have new blog home. Going to order a leased stock box from that moldavian hoster nao methinks
lobbes: and neato re: patch. I still need to apply the detect_disconnect patch as well. Will do that tonight before bed
asciilifeform: lobbes: i expect if we all park in same cage , will end in same tears .
asciilifeform: i suspect is is a fundamentally bad idea .
asciilifeform: that being said, i dun exactly have a list of 9000 cages that known to work.
asciilifeform: lobbes, diana_coman , can take the piz banners off yer log www's, they dun go anywhere no moar...
lobbes: asciilifeform: this is a point re: parking in same cage. Perhaps couldn't hurt to do some more charting.
asciilifeform will miss the golden time of when could put a box in a locking cage where only l1 human , rather than dirty paws of heathens, will lay on it
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you colo boxen, i rec to take a weekend to learn to use a spot welder
asciilifeform: they're inexpensive .
asciilifeform: naturally a welded tin can aint a 100 tonne safe . but will be equally impossible to get inside w/out leaving obv. marks.
asciilifeform: if yer good about photographing before sending off.
asciilifeform off to pet pets. bbl.
lobbes: enjoy!
BingoBoingo back at terminal. Shared machine user data backed up along with databases. asciilifeform Dulap powered down, drives removed
BingoBoingo eats log
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941897 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind
asciilifeform: wb BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to use the echatronic loggers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: apologies. Got a tab open for each logger atm.
BingoBoingo off to quickly acquire some nutrition
asciilifeform also
BingoBoingo: Oscar did send some new graphs. One seems to show a lot of traffic hitting Latecho near, but not inside out block. https://ibb.co/MBCdf6X https://ibb.co/4NdZGcV https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK https://ibb.co/zQHs76v
BingoBoingo: mod6: To take any backups of your machine, I will need some sort of credentials to log in.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941999 << I feel this sting.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:15:20 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: fwiw, I think you did better at this venture than I imagine I ever would have. It took balls to take that initial leap over the wire and bootstrap the thing.
lobbes: tmsr is all about embracing one's failure and learning from it, if I've learned anything from being here

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