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asciilifeform: congrats diana_coman !
asciilifeform: i'ma put in deedbot the final cookbook for this, when i wakeup.
asciilifeform: ( 'this' == the old gentoo )
asciilifeform to bed.
BingoBoingo: Sleep well.
BingoBoingo: Aite, 'anyserver' has the right versions of apache and php finally built and working together.
lobbes: congrats!
feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp bot workplan: Now until November 3rd.
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: In the next 24-36 hours I hope to have access to pass out. Once I wake up I'll run to the market where folks lay out their weird for sale looking for some things to help the coming disk clean up. Then it'll be back to knocking 'anyserver' into an interim place for blogs to see some light again.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, splendid!
mp_en_viaje: and ty asciilifeform !
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, yay!
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i moved the bimbo from fetlife work to instagram work yest, on the groudns that "what the fuck, all these uppity gorgons, go talk to pretty girls at least"
mp_en_viaje: so if anyone's into instagram talk to her
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i wouldn't worry THAT much about the materials, even a 5lb hammer and a chunk of rock will be sufficient.
mp_en_viaje: aaand in other MAJOR http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ developments, http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133 stands like an absolute milestone. there's also a cultural aspect to contend with now!
mp_en_viaje: specifically : the public statues are sufficiently elaborate, the public stellae high enough, in any case our notions and conceits sufficiently advanced to support (in my judgement) revisiting of the shitlangs, with clear deliniation as to why and what and wherefore.
mp_en_viaje: no longer merely "do not use shitlangs, they rot the brain" but rather the much more refined "do not use shitlangs as langs, they're not that, and don't swallow, either".
mp_en_viaje: i think a lot's been gained here.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
spyked: mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the editor weird). /me will try to get it done tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: cool
bvt: hi. i intend to finish the kernel rng work end of next week - then will do a dissection-writeup on what i did + vpatch. i also have to setup mpwp somewhere - this may take a bit of additional time.
bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945073 << the only problem i ever encountered is project gutenberg blocking germany, but no problems with archive.is
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 06:42:11 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yw !
asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit_r4.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: ^ latest draft of recipe, as tested by asciilifeform and then diana_coman .
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: can report that dev server is also built and had a test run locally with dev client; compilation there messier because of the whole stuff with gnat.
mp_en_viaje: aha
mp_en_viaje: but yay!
mp_en_viaje: ok so basically we answer the original q with "well, we're married with amds and using above deeded recipe" ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: pretty much, yes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, was the item you applied actually and formally the item deeded ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sounds like a good idea yeah
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I have on my list to attempt recipe on intel too - if I find some time for it; it wasn't burning and it's one of those "only if deemed worth to know"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you need an intel version, plz lemme know, i in fact excavated a 'xeon' recently on which can be tried.
mp_en_viaje: i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'll have to check, since he deeded now I think "latest version"; previously I used his deeded version + tweak for fuckgoats & my kbd
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol 'leak ip', how about 'civilize barbaric voodoo into published tool'
mp_en_viaje: als
mp_en_viaje: o
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, important to make sure there's no splits whatsoever, now, when fresh in memory
mp_en_viaje: if we have to fix in say 18 months, we'll spend days in this "oh god damned recipe is not useful" vicious circle
diana_coman: indeed; I'll check today after a bit of a needed break.
mp_en_viaje: kk
mp_en_viaje: 100% same thing or no good
asciilifeform: this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll check it against my notes too.
mp_en_viaje: cool
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re intel, I have an old intel excavated out and waiting to have this set on it, if I get around to do it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
mp_en_viaje: ic
asciilifeform: diana_coman: should need adjustment only in kernel flags : no amd-exclusive cpu instrs were used in building the binaries (given the vintage of the cpu targeted, none exist such that would fall into this trap)
asciilifeform: the item strictly-as-given is expected to function on any 64bit amd ( asciilifeform's test bed was a 'e350', circa 2010 . )
asciilifeform: diana_coman's was a 'fx' .
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-11 diana_coman: wtf can't quite find the thing; the motherboard is Asus M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3 HDMI Motherboard; the cpu is AMD FX-8350 Eight Core to 4.2GHz
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I've set it up also on another fx (slightly diff number) on a gigabyte board
diana_coman: that was test no 2 yest
asciilifeform: aa, neato
asciilifeform: so far only oddity reported seems to be where diana_coman had a keyboard that wouldn't go , tho asciilifeform could not reproduce .
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: I looked about, changed the one for my usual kbd (the emergency ps kbd is not that comfy on fingers) and otherwise looked around but I didn't see something directly needed/to change
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 asciilifeform: tried even last night several usb kbd, all worked.
asciilifeform bbl:meat
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: between 3-8 and 3-10 I needed the obv mkdir /mnt/usb
diana_coman: for that matter, there's 3-9 missing, lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at 3-19, argh, put in there the exact place of pl2303 in kernel, it was annoying enough to have to track it down once.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: ah, found it; it's in device drivers/usb support/usb serial converter support/usb prolific shit
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at 3-20, this wasn't true: there was still the change from linear to lba32
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd still rather put the content than just the link, why make the recipe utterly dependent on the logger being up, anyways? eg at 3-29, put in the reference but also just the required option
ossabot: Logged on 2018-08-01 12:53:52 asciilifeform: dwc_otg.speed=1 on kernel param line.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: good point (tho that part imho really belongs on FG www page; sadly it is lost at sea atm)
diana_coman goes to check lilo.conf
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
diana_coman: it might belong there also, sure; still, I'd rather have it in recipe too; for that matter there is still the companion thing, might need to add a note at the very least
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman , i'ma include these in place of the dead.
diana_coman: I think this last russian one had the mysql/I quite distinctly remember adding it
asciilifeform: ideally ( as said already by diana_coman in #o ) we abolish the req for external mirrors.
diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if the r4 recipe is in fact insufficient for the current smg process , i'ma then revise. otherwise i'ma proceed with the streamlined 1stick thing, it will be tested later in the wk , w/ own hands and anyone else who wants this type of sys.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945126 - confirmed, this is indeed fixed in r2.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:42:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i used network in testbed solely to get shell on the box, did not 'emerge' etc. anyffin.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: python selector is also set in r2 tar, plox to confirm.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
diana_coman: asciilifeform: python selector fine, confirmed.
asciilifeform: curl oughta be put in the sealed canister imho.
asciilifeform: (i snapshotted dulap even before emerged curl!)
diana_coman: for eulora dev and therefore next, there is also gnat, ofc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do we want ave1's last gnat in the canister ?
asciilifeform: (say in e.g. /opt/gnat)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: iirc last gnat is static-only, isn't it?
asciilifeform: it is. and so oughta work 100% .
diana_coman: which is nice and fine but sadly crystalspace is a mess and won't compile static only just yet :(
asciilifeform: aaa.
asciilifeform did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
diana_coman: possibly I'll have to hammer it into static at some point but not yet there (it's a ball of ifdefism among other things)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I still use ave1 gnat, just not latest/static-only
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly i oughta refrain from sealing in a gnat then, it could interfere with your process
asciilifeform: ah
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is. i have 4 diff gnats on the box where now sitting.
diana_coman: ie set first in path the desired one and that's it
asciilifeform: this requires a certain amt of user fiddling tho.
asciilifeform: and yes.
diana_coman: so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister
asciilifeform: then will include.
asciilifeform: vtron imho also oughta go in. and gpg 1.4.10 .
diana_coman: well, I'd love to get at some point to static-only, so ...
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945131 << this is a sound principle anyways.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
asciilifeform begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945133 << problem with "work inside chroot" is well documented in a meanwhile lost hanbot articler
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945134 << then put hashes in the deed too.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:45:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945135 << the risk with enumerating such is that nao any slashdot "buyer" / malware distributor has a list to work off of.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:46:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, any indiv binaries imo, esp discrete pieces which "so as to save hours".
asciilifeform: esp. these.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: honestly, ~any mirror is dog-food
mp_en_viaje: yeah.
mp_en_viaje: im not saying don't do it, i'm... well, im not even fucking sure what i'm saying. the thought occured.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick.
mp_en_viaje: eys.
asciilifeform: mirrors suck if only by wasting time, they have life expectancy of laboratory rat
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945139 << this is golden standard anyway, recipe that dun live up to it can only really be used by bimbos for bimbo toys. not 0-value, but still.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:48:02 diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yeah, the worthlessness of child's net aka www is well documented on trilema also.
mp_en_viaje: pretty much only thing it's for is to fish http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/?b=beautifully%20shaped&e=Ethiopian%20girl#select off of.
mp_en_viaje: (speaking of which, isn't the select mechanism beautiful in how it ~supplants anchors~!!!)
asciilifeform: anchors barely worked at all
asciilifeform: (consider the still-unresolved 'log url scheme' quandary )
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945172 - asciilifeform , are you saying that you can do same with cuntoo directly?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:20 asciilifeform: begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
asciilifeform: but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:39 asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945145 << you can install curl without ssh/ssl ; and use it without also (curl --k)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:54:35 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945156 << we're moving off of it, but it is a LARGE spot of work.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:57:07 asciilifeform: did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj
asciilifeform: err, -ssl
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the problem is that the recipe makes a system on which openssl is *already installed*
asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed. off the shelf gentoo includes it, because mirrors tend to be sslistic
mp_en_viaje: grand problem with c-anything is that there's no php-like "lulz, three stiches and a dab, you'll be done in five hours). anythng, ANYTHING, even something as simple as "make the fucking int datatypes match across the code" turn into multi-week, 100+ hour projects.
diana_coman: otherwise yes, I had banned in on the previous smg test server and simply got on with libressl
mp_en_viaje: don
mp_en_viaje: t need even that for curl specifically. curl will work with no crypto.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
asciilifeform: (and that's simply cpu time)
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm; some dependencies seemed to pull in some crypto; didn't fully investigate to see if they can in turn work without etc, perhaps yes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags.
mp_en_viaje: since eulora actually uses tmsr crypto anyway, imo it is worth trying an empire-crypto-less system for it.
mp_en_viaje: not necessarily right nao, but as a design principle.
asciilifeform: ( ftr 99% of why asciilifeform ~even used~ gentoos , is the ability to ban-flag / peg versions of packages with fine grain )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i can see it.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that.
mp_en_viaje: yeah.
asciilifeform specifically omitted discussion of adjustments that would require 'world rebuilds', it would catastrophically delay diana_coman et al. but eventually will have to be discussed, in re: e.g. ssl removal.
asciilifeform: this is 1 of the items that actually wins from the use of inexpensive leased boxen tho. can have multiple staging units where worlds are rebuilding while other work carries on, potentially.
mp_en_viaje: forinstance.
asciilifeform did this, when baking ' asciilifeform's gentoo ', but most of what's hanging from asciilifeform's lan is pretty slow cpuwise
mp_en_viaje: god i fucking love my blog. i get lost in here, for hours, reading old articles.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect trilema is actually my colt, retirement plan.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i tend to spend 20-30m reading old mp_en_viaje pieces when waking up
asciilifeform: there's 'bottomless' barrel there.
mp_en_viaje: yah, imagine man of the futuretrying to do tlp-adnotation on trilema.
asciilifeform: hey archaeologists aint even done ~reading~ e.g. k. f. gauss, last i knew
mp_en_viaje: i'd be curious to see what mechanical panopticons they built to help with the process, because trying to flatten the web of reference and context is quite the expexplosion.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha. mostly gave up afaik.
asciilifeform: ( and gauss, did not even have typewriter ! )
mp_en_viaje: this is also the problem -- not webfacing.
asciilifeform: 'royal society minutes' sorta web-facing. yet not even this, i suspect, 100% read yet.
asciilifeform: esp. by folx w/ a clue.
mp_en_viaje: i expect not/
mp_en_viaje: funny thing is, ~only known method to getting a clue is same.
mp_en_viaje: hence ~reading~ at oxford.
asciilifeform: is how one gets 'a clue', neh. from them clue-mines.
mp_en_viaje: (no joke but plainest deadpan : original conception of ur-anglouniversity was attempt to read buried texts of classics)
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled it..
asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around.
asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-01-09 23:11:59 mircea_popescu: is this where your hatred of cyclotrons was nursed ?
asciilifeform: i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al.
mp_en_viaje: the french had an equiv problem, "lavoisier equipment too expensive, why tells us we are poor"
asciilifeform: 100y after, aha
mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is that if you wanna write about frankfrurt, you eitehr go to frankfurt or stfu.
asciilifeform: but the crack in the pavement apparently started w/ boyle's.
mp_en_viaje: there's no room for "i feel my dick should be able to go where mp's goes on the grounds of... well, it being MY dick"
asciilifeform: d00d's air pump was worse 'craftsman voodoo' than just about anyffing today.
asciilifeform: for a period, ~nobody could properly replicate.
mp_en_viaje: for a period nobody could properly replicate anything. in ru this extended to like 1955
asciilifeform: fella is today 'mega-chemist' , but he did not even publish recipe for his sealing cement (apparently used rotten cheese or some wtf) and folx were stuck reverse-engineering.
asciilifeform: such poor was the sealant, that he ended up keeping the old controversy of 'horror vacui' alive (vessel wouldn't stay evacuated)
mp_en_viaje: what next, "astronomy should be limited to what all men can see with own eyes", part and parcel of "service should be in whatever barbarbar my mommy spoke to me" ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that'd be 1 tard-extreme ( illustrated by hobbes. )
mp_en_viaje: myeah
asciilifeform: ( other extreme, is today's 'shuddup, cern can physics and y'all go home, slice-lengthwise!11' )
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945102 - as per this and given the diff notes, still needs changes & re-deed
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 13:47:47 mp_en_viaje: 100% same thing or no good
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:29:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you post your amended ver. plox ? i'ma diff, read, sign .
diana_coman: uhm, then why did I dump changes in log, lolz.
mp_en_viaje: you can physics just fine. go, figure out magnetism. you can't, however, high energy particle physics without EITHER the high energy particles or an einsteinian knack for clueless prophecy / newtonian grasp on maths. but even if 2nd lobe, still will need 1st lobe confirmation. this is unavoidable.
diana_coman: will do it tomorrow if needed, ok.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is '32' the only omission ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: see from there down, there's a few more, arguably more important too
asciilifeform loox again
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe.
asciilifeform: as it is i've abused deedbot .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx.
mp_en_viaje: the one remaining major impediment to actually bringing eulora back up is that... well, gotta find actual dc. and eh... eulora being game server has all sorta code we intend to stay secret ~permanently~, it's not so simple.
mp_en_viaje: pizarro failure hurts not merely technologically, but also custodianly.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at this rate, the sad dc asciilifeform decided to move his www to (bmor) might be the 1st to stand up. and it's ungodly slow.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this is pretty much so. i know of no actual physicists still working.
mp_en_viaje: there's the conference remnants, greatly beloved for purely prop-qualities, hawkings et al. but no real muscle left.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know some ~ex~ physicists. but they're all 80yo d00dz whose 'work' mainly is to water their gardens nao.
mp_en_viaje: right.
asciilifeform: h died.
asciilifeform: ( last yr iirc )
mp_en_viaje: a ? must've been a blow to the rubber chicken salesmen.
asciilifeform: well consider, you didn't notice that he was dead. wasn't much of a runner in recent decades.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'stay seekrit 4evah' coades prolly oughta run from ramdisk, imho.
asciilifeform: ( feed it in when box powers up. )
mp_en_viaje: sure, but a box locked by a wot man offers the golden standard.
asciilifeform: there's no beating this , tru
asciilifeform: ( but ideal, 'wot man' + 'from ramdisk' imho still. )
mp_en_viaje: sure.
asciilifeform: that way if dc roof caves or whatnot, and street urchings gather up the rubble...
mp_en_viaje: ideal is jam on toast. without jam, can have toast. without toast, can have oral sex.
asciilifeform: 'without mouth...'
mp_en_viaje: nfi what the fuck we'll do, but anyways. "being worked up-on"
asciilifeform rages re the bmoar people, wtf, asked'em simple q : 'how does ddos play into yer per-packet billing scheme' prior to subscribing simple box w/ own www ; nao 3d waiting for answer...
asciilifeform: 'answers' included 'i must ask the boss, thank you for patience' etc claptrap.
asciilifeform: if this carries on , i'ma send it to maxim's
asciilifeform: still want a reach-with-hands 'postbox' tho !
asciilifeform: and this is merely asciilifeform's human www , which direly needs moving, not even speaking of mighty boxen w/ dozens of cpu etc
mp_en_viaje: what do you mean "how does it play into" ? it'
mp_en_viaje: s self evident, you pay.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa, but they have claptrap re 'ddos proof'
mp_en_viaje: yes, through this avenue.
asciilifeform: and 'fixed 10m pipe w/ burstings', sat for 4hrs reading various lit and still no definitive 'here's how these work' to show for it
mp_en_viaje: you can ask for burst to turn off.
mp_en_viaje: all this is pretty standard fare in the biz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: even 'ha, you pay' comes in 2 variants, 'you get bill for $bil' and 'your acct empties in 5sec' , would at least like to know which before signing.
mp_en_viaje: this is much better q, no need to wait 3 day for answer.
mp_en_viaje: see how magic works ?
asciilifeform: ikr!
asciilifeform: and i asked'em in this very wording. and 'pleez sir have patience..' was output.
mp_en_viaje: ask adequate qs, get faster answers ; ask self-world q, get time-wait penalty.
mp_en_viaje: ah ? then dunno.
asciilifeform: fuckinsnails.
asciilifeform: 'crawl, crawl, snail, on mt fuji, till you reach the very top...' (jp, 15th c.)
mp_en_viaje: re the ddos thing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944835 : i believe it likely ~same dork who started original pizarro troubles ; whatever birthday hundy his mommy gave him was enough for occasional 2Gbps bursts, sub-minute in length, and otherwise 4-5Mbpm sustained over a few mins, and otherwise whole fuel tank good for ~half a day or so.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 07:50:10 mp_en_viaje: aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc
mp_en_viaje: unmolested hence, very much 100% redditard fare.
asciilifeform: i cannot blame woodpecker, for cardboard house.
asciilifeform: woodpecker -- part of landscape.
mp_en_viaje: so it is.
mp_en_viaje: but is now in the record, i do believe original item did exist, pizarro didn't end up plugged out of thin air.
mp_en_viaje: was, actually, one woodpecker.
asciilifeform buys
asciilifeform: !!up baitbot
deedbot: baitbot voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
baitbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 6d 0h 25m
asciilifeform: ^ this still lulzy.
diana_coman: heh, asciilifeform, lemme replay here my note that yes, it's easy to block them and they won't come back with reply either because http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-12#1005834
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, the point is *before* anything; because they won't quite want to say/admit "yes, you pay for us to disconnect you" but onth if they say "no, we don't", they are in a bigger pickle when they do so...
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure it was to large degree handcranked / eyes supervision.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: likely.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wonder whether my entire inquiry hit the dustbin cuz mentioned 'ddos' at all.
asciilifeform: 'this d00d is ddos magnet ? do we want this'
mp_en_viaje: quite likely, yes.
diana_coman: I have to admit that after a while I had at least fun asking them this sort of direct questions with no-possible-reasonable-answer-oh-noez
mp_en_viaje: "this dood seems tirekicker on low budet who now says deadwords."
asciilifeform: naturally they'd prefer folx who walk in with 10k/mo and not ask difficult q's..
diana_coman: given how many there are though, I can't quite imagine this mythical "so many customers, can afford to turn down this one who says she wants several boxes, possibly rack"; nevertheless...
mp_en_viaje: anyway, unrelatedly : for the folk awaiting trilema publication of divers reports, as were implicitly due for q3 sometime early october : i had every intention of doing them, if not by the 5th day as trad. absolute value at least sorta by 15th (as scaled value, 3x the months, 3x5 days) or something. but then, whole pizaro debacle, adding to the fact that i'm traveling and that's never so fixed a schedule (for instance, i was orig supposed to be in m
mp_en_viaje: unchen till yest etc) resulted in a delay.
mp_en_viaje: i still intend to publish, tentatively set for early nov.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this partic. shop appears to be a monopoly in ~400km radius of asciilifeform's chair. ( all the other dc, serve only lulazon, usg, etc )
mp_en_viaje: apologies to anyone's inconvenience from this.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, not problem of so many customers, but of so few. remnant poblems, see.
asciilifeform was mildly surprised to have unearthed ~even that~ 1 dc
asciilifeform: it's like they all died of plague in last decade.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940120 << is this when pizarro became inaccessible ? or more like late 3rd ? i seem to recall
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 12:59:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone appears to be hopping around and hitting addresses. DDoS is an unsolved problem.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, they pretty much did.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: went down for-good on 6 oct. 0130 hrs (nyc time) .
mp_en_viaje: yes but i mean start, not end.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'bumps' in the pipe began full week prior. initially latech 'explained away' as 'problem w/ upstream router', recall.
asciilifeform: when.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 18:37:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Issue with an upstream switch is the report.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940121 this pair seems the earliest actual report
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 12:59:53 asciilifeform: atm that meter's fucking running but the taxi aint movin'!!
mp_en_viaje: anyways.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 1st swallow of spring , there .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 16:55:08 asciilifeform: achtung panzers! piz pipe down ?!
mp_en_viaje: depending how deeply one searches, there were scattered reports for 6week+ of short blinks (which eventually drove an inquiry into latech etc)
asciilifeform: indeed. iirc that ^ 1 was the 1st long enuff to throw the logger on dulap tho .
mp_en_viaje: aha
asciilifeform: prev. outages, evidently, <30s ea.
asciilifeform: no one even knows how many of those.
asciilifeform: logger is 'canary in mine'.
mp_en_viaje: more like 2-3 s yeah
asciilifeform: those, asciilifeform naively wrote off as 'congestion' , aha
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/naked-sluts-in-hotel-rooms-a-frank-discussion-of-harem-sexuality-the-warm-pubic-reception-of-the-general-public-and-other-typos/?b=this%20here%20is&e=now%20on#select other reference, for completeness
asciilifeform: to complete the chronology : the 1st outage long enuff to nuke asciilifeform's monitor shell (i.e. >5m) was on oct 4 .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 12:53:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aaand my shells finally fell.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i think we see ~same thing, yeh.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: ( before there was a asciilifeform logger, the 'mine canary' was that shell, scrolling stats 24/7 since asciilifeform got off plane from pizistan )
asciilifeform: continuously, discounting that 1 episode w/ elbows.
asciilifeform: until sep 25 .
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in enduring argentina lulz : bitcoin trading now illegal in germany, as per some derpy "state" "authority" of theirs.
asciilifeform: lol! are they tryin' to set up a 'chinese' 'ban on tuesday, load up at discount, unban on thursday, unload on friday, repeat' 4cycle engine ?
mp_en_viaje: possibly
asciilifeform: germany's the arkansas of eu, innit. errything banned there... 'wolfenstein' prolly still banned.
mp_en_viaje: what else is a following for, if not tryina arbitrage it against the only eternal thing ?
asciilifeform: iirc even vitamin c demands doctor's orders to buy there.
mp_en_viaje: there is necessarily no difference between ANY pretend-sovereign and any other, angela merkel ==== usagi, theresa may === kludge etc etc.
asciilifeform: well like in other nuthouses there's the 'quiet' tards an'the 'loud' tards. but beyond that, aha, what diff can there be
mp_en_viaje: every instagram whore's gonna try and trade "followers" for a steak at my table, it's the nature of female youth.
asciilifeform bbl:meat exercises.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, apparently trilema more widely read in argentina than uruguay
mp_en_viaje: rather proportional to their 10:1 population, actually.
mp_en_viaje: must suck to read trilema from "Argentina is highly urbanized, with 92% of its population living in cities"
mp_en_viaje: if pigsties were called cities, pigs would be just as "highly urbanized"
BingoBoingo: I am not sure that what has come to be Urbanity in 2019 is not exactly exercises in swine keeping.
BingoBoingo: Also Kurds announce deal with Assad. Couple dozen US troops apparently trapped between Kurds/Assad and Turks.
mp_en_viaje: ahahaha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in last weeks of dulap log , there were moar 'humanlike' activity on its www from argentines than ~anywhere else ; incl. folx grabbing FG test dumps etc. i had and still have nfi who , why.
asciilifeform: iirc coupla people there even bought'em. ( tho the only 1 i recall definitively, was that 1 which ~came back~ 'unsigned at post' , wtfpeople )
asciilifeform: for what do south-chukchas use fg ? ( maybe, ar is simply where them redditi keep 'vpn proxies' naodays )
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje at one time advertised his www on lamp posts in buenosaires. maybe, worked ? (for some value of 'worked'..)
BingoBoingo: It's possible more recently layers of lamppost flyer crust recently fell
BingoBoingo: *more recent layers
BingoBoingo: It is election season. I imagine the derps over there are going wild with their contact cement buckets and spray paints
asciilifeform purchased some moar fresh 1tb ssd. newly-assembled asciilifeform flotilla will go to colo -- somewhere! wherever is least screamingly retarded. remains to be seen where.
asciilifeform: fuckin sovok rations. apparently ~impossible to get >3 to 1 addr in 1 shot, today just like 5y ago.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, neither rank very high, middle of country list sorta thing
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, >3 what ?
mp_en_viaje was gonna quote "* channel_still_al (4fc3564e@p4FC3564E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #eulora" from old lobbes logger for eulora for wtf factor, but that's gone huh.
mp_en_viaje: what am i redirecting http://logs.minigame.bz to ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: > 3 oem pieces of 'samsung 860' if can believe. still 'cartel' rationed, apparently.
mp_en_viaje: heh. and spanish war telephone tax still on, aha
asciilifeform: not only on. goes up with regularity.
asciilifeform: them spanish iguess not 100% defeated. or sumthing
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/dark-passage/ << Trilema -- Dark Passage
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman , forgot to mention a detail that perhaps obv., but maybe not, and may prove useful in your 'make fleet o'boxen' :
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to ~make~ a tarball that can be used in place of 'r2', using a working install w/ whatevr customizations in it, mount the fs at a /mnt/gentoo and then e.g. tar pcvfz diana_coman-gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo . this snapshot can then be used to replicate $box to whatever others.
asciilifeform: ( still gotta e.g. set up ssh keys , hostnames, etc. in post-install but no reason to e.g. 'emerge' packages x,y,z 9000 times to make 9000 boxen )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lemme know btw if you want this thrd moved back to #o , rather than to put kilometres of gentoo cruft here.
mp_en_viaje: prolly.
asciilifeform: aite; i'ma then put only shovel-ready recipes here , minutiae - there.

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