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BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque Were you wanting a blog set up on the 'anyserver' as well?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje Whenever you can make it to the namecheap panel I've got an authoritive nameserver ready on some ips for through
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
feedbot: << The Tar Pit -- A guide to systematically exploring the entrails of MP-WP, illustrated using some weird found in the post editor
diana_coman: - I've setup a ftp mirror for asciilifeform as he currently has only the slow loper-os; he already uploaded the dulap tarball; it has anonymous read-only access for anyone interested/having trouble with loper-os.
mp_en_viaje: aand gmornin' lords an' ladies!
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Whenever you can make it to the namecheap panel I've got an authoritive nameserver ready on some ips for through
diana_coman: morning mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, hopefully later today.
mp_en_viaje: meanwle im here on the highway, major todo, three police cars opening the way for thsi coupla 7ton trucks with some tarps thrown over them, and s buncha escorts
mp_en_viaje: i guess it's either gold or corpses, what's anyone thing ?
mp_en_viaje: thinl*
mp_en_viaje: oh, and a flock of fucking deer in the cultivated field just like that, by the side of the road
diana_coman: I can't quite imagine they'd have *that much/many* of either tbh
diana_coman had a fox staring from the garden, only yest
mp_en_viaje: back to nature!
mp_en_viaje: anyway, ima get back to writing this megapiece im working on
diana_coman: mod6: and similar gives 403; did those move somewhere else?
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman for ftp! 'warm lamp sound!' it worx.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks for the check&ack!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ~2MB/s download. a++
asciilifeform: << it was a piz box. ( BingoBoingo is it being moved to 'anyserver' ? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 09:59:22 diana_coman: mod6: and similar gives 403; did those move somewhere else?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can probably move it over if mod6 asks, in the case of the mailing list I will have to dig at what it needs to stand on. Because of what 'anyserver' is I am not at all inclined to put things there unless folks request it.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty
BingoBoingo suspects mailing list probably ought not to be on a blog box, even if it isn't intended to send outgoing dispatches.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's pretty strange that the url leads to anyffin at all, if it hasn't yet been moved
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc mod6 and ben colo'd a second box in a different rack somewhere.
asciilifeform: ah. evidently it's broken tho.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in minor noose, asciilifeform found that one vendor still makes usb stix (for routers etc) w/ single-layer nand flash. claims operation to +85C and 60,000 rewrites per block.
asciilifeform: ( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. )
mod6: diana_coman: Yeah, thanks. BB made me a backup before the drives were pulled. I've placed all of the tbf website files back onto the original vps that used to host the site. So far, seems everything is working ok (as far as I can tell), other than the Mailing List.
mod6: I spent a fair amount of time yesterday trying to get Mailman working, which was frustrating, but no luck yet. If nothing else, I think I'll just ensure that all of the archives are visible somehow.
asciilifeform: mod6: confirmed; errything nao loads but the ml
diana_coman: mod6: ah, I see; yes, just the archives accessible and it will be great.
mod6: Regarding the foundation's two boxen: One was in .uy, the other was supposed to go down there, but is still in the possession of ben_vulpes. I communicated with him last week regarding the box, he'll be sending it to me as soon as I get him the deets.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma be inspecting and possibly leasing a rack today. if this goes properly, mod6 can consider installing $box there .
mod6: Yeah, not sure if we care about the ML any more as far as a communication tool for development or what not. So getting the archives back up is a decent start.
mod6: asciilifeform: Yeah, not sure how that would work exactly. Since I don't have $$$ for racking such things, unless your dc is gonna take btc?
asciilifeform: mod6: it's a usa rack, but (supposedly) locking, and in 20min range of asciilifeform , who will be gardening it personally
asciilifeform: mod6: ~asciilifeform~ will eat btc.
mod6: Ah, well then!
mod6: I'll wait a bit to see how things progress on that matter, and if all good, maybe will have bv just send the box directly there. Would save me a bunch of shipping fees.
asciilifeform: i'ma 1st get the rack tho, and its ~exact~ cost, and ~then~ come up with prices. ( will be cheaper than piz, cuz elementarily , in a quite high-risk location , not to mention the rack per se is 5x cheaper per u )
asciilifeform: mod6: expecting to charge (in coin) equiv. of 20-30 $ u.s. per 1u, presently.
asciilifeform: 'gardening' included.
mod6: Oh, that's very reasonable. Thanks for finding the place.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'bear found but not yet killed' but yw.
mod6: Aight, ima keep working on this website thing here. Will write in when the archives are at least visible.
asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
asciilifeform: mod6: at the very least, imho the purely piz-owned irons oughta live in new racks asap rather than go through the cycle of sell-for-penny-on-dollar-to-orcs etc. but no such thing will be done w/out agreement of shareholders ( and mod6 is majority holder. )
asciilifeform: mod6: BingoBoingo appears to have prelim. data re the cost of transporting'em, it seems to be +ev.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to comment re ^ when you get a chance.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: +EV for some, maybe. The TBF box with its dell badge is probably going to get its greatest return on the local market where folks pay to posture. Haven't yet dig into seeing much in the way of what the supermicros might return with some small amount of patience.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you recall the estimate for 'crate from BingoBoingostan to usa' ?
asciilifeform: simply to put reasonably accurate picture in log
BingoBoingo: Fedex economy came in with an estimate a bit under 300 USD given the dulap's dimensions and bathroom scale weight without packaging. Packaging at this moment is looking like it will end up being mover's foam rolls and improvised cardboard box/wrap held together with substantial tape.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my current thinking is, to usa, to move the beefier (24, 32 cpu) boxen -- +ev ; but to europistan , where i expect would cost 1.5x-2x, + oddball europistani taxes, may not be, if anyone contemplating the latter, oughta do separate estimate
BingoBoingo: DHL offers a more predictable per kilogram pricing model versus the FedEx black box, but they supposed just under 450 figuring an extra kilogram of packing.
asciilifeform: for boxen owned by subscribers, is to be left 100% to subscriber. but will need to consult w/ mod6 re piz-owned irons in particular.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i wanted the ballpark figure (ty) in log so that subscribers can start making decision 'i'ma ship' or 'i'ma make own new from 0'.
BingoBoingo: Also anything going to with a declared value of 200 USD or above needs some export paperwork done. The past few months have seen rather large outbound cocaine busts bound for Europe, so the export inspection folk that haven't been arrested are likely a bit on edge.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: find out what this involves. could 'make or break' the calculation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite. It involves retaining a customs dispatcher. I'll see what they want to produce this type of paperwork.
mod6: Alright, I've got the ML archives back up. and
mod6: Should do the trick, let me know if you see something wacky (there certainly might be).
asciilifeform: ty mod6 ! seems to work.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect you still have the ~import~ receipts from the boxen that ben botched. that oughta do ~sumthing~ ? try an' find out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do. Will use if necessary.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the orcs double-taxation thing appears to make transportation impractical, we may want to consider a pickup flight by asciilifeform . can remove 4u of boxen for ~2k (us) total . for certain machines even this may be +ev.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention custody of FG etc )
asciilifeform: mp actually suggested this last week, as a possible backup for ordinary post if the degree of retardation involved in the latter is beyond what can be digested
mod6: << In my opinion, Pizarro is done, and should be liquidated. Whatever the next isp-like-item that comes up should be a new thing of its own.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:05:36 asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
asciilifeform: mod6: prolly Right Thing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. This is not Argentina, so there should not be any export taxes in the reading I've done so far. Anyways priced per rack unit, it may vale la pena for the custodial benefit if you can make it down.
asciilifeform: mod6: on top of this, imho the '20 boxen w/ no hot spares'-in-one-cage thing oughta be avoided . it tempts fate.
mod6: Very true.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma leave it 1) up to indiv. subscribers, for subscriber-owned boxen 2) mod6 for piz boxen. if 1+2 add up to 4, then it is worth for asciilifeform to physically pick up. otherwise not.
asciilifeform: per my reading of last wk's log, to mod6 is also left the fate of the piz FG's (mp asked to be repayed in coin, rather than iron, as i parsed it)
mod6: If the FG's (28 or so??) were purchased from nosuchlabs via the .9 BTC worth of investment agreement, then yeah, should be repaid in coin.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, there is also a possible variant where 4 boxen need pick up, but want to go to somewhere other than asciilifeform's. this is to be left to the owners, if indeed 4 boxen, and their owners want to move'em.
asciilifeform: mod6: 36 .
mod6: Ah, ty. Yeah, and if Pizarro paid in the form of debt, then the debt will be paid in coins.
asciilifeform rereads thread...
asciilifeform: mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 13:12:00 mp_en_viaje: otherwise, if you two(/three, whatevs) decide you absolutely not want to sell boxes locally (preferably after having considered the matter, rather than some inept guesswork in the blind), sna can take gear in lieu of cash, but not at arbitrary rates of nonsense.
BingoBoingo brb meat and errands
mod6: asciilifeform: Ah, ok. Sounds like we can work it out with mp then, one way or anohter.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform opposes the sale of remaining FG stockpile to orcs at flea market. but mod6 is majority holder, and so will mention even this, for thread-completeness strictly.
mod6: I'm not sure how it'll work out exactly, but somehow not selling the very finite resources of working/tested FGs to orcs would be in the best interest of the Republic.
asciilifeform: imho yes.
asciilifeform: mod6: i mention because it appears that BingoBoingo cannot simply put'em in 1-2 crates and mail, may trigger 'export' wank.
asciilifeform: nao ideally i am mistaken about this, and can simply be posted.
asciilifeform: ( along w/ anyffin else that the owners decide to move. )
mod6: Yeah, let's see what we can find out there. But let's not put the cart before horse. Let's first get all the customers situated with irons and whatever remittance is required via liquidation.
mod6: Then we can tackle the other questions of what remains.
mod6: (Please say if I'm not making sense.)
asciilifeform: mod6: i bring up subj only to avoid possible recursive dependencies ( i.e. for some subscribers, whether to transport box or bake new , may depend on the costs -- and time involved ; and this in turn has effect on what's left to liquidate, etc )
asciilifeform would at least like to settle the q of whether even makes sense for anyone to fetch boxes, and if so, which
mod6: Fair, we should be looking into that part for sure.
mod6: As far as the foundation is concerned... I was thinking, originally, that I would have the whole box (with drives) shipped back from .uy. Then could be re-racked somewhere. But now, with the possibility that there might be some new rack space available, maybe the foundation should just have the drives shipped back, to be used inside of the 2nd box, currently not in use.
mod6: Then could have the drives emplaced, racked, and off we go. Could simply sell the old box in .uy to orcs.
asciilifeform: mod6: didja ever get an output from ben re his replacement in tbf ? afaik any possible transmutation of tbf requires at least a nod from the fella, given as he seems to be alive, and not yet formally drummed out
mod6: I haven't made a final decision yet though.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho mp is right re tbf btw. it's a stone chained to leg of mod6 and dragging it isn't producing detectably useful output presently imho .
mod6: asciilifeform: He said 'he wouldn't know who to nominate.' I'm sure we'll dig into what do re: foundation when the Piz stuff is settled.
asciilifeform: aite. it's b/w mod6 , ben, mp, & odin.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Be aware your box down here is heavier and longer than any other. Shipping the whole box in you case is likely to be the lowest return way to handle your.
BingoBoingo brb 4 real
mod6: BingoBoingo: Good to know, thx.
mod6: Sounds like shipping just the drives back might be the best way.
asciilifeform going to machinepark in <1h
mp_en_viaje: hi all!
mp_en_viaje: hot damn, again with the bs ?
feedbot: << Trilema -- How Germany got itself banned, and Western Europe altogether isn't all that far behind.
mp_en_viaje: << aha, this'll be it. was using the right tld, but ... yeah
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 00:13:11 lobbes: my guess is that is using qntra dns maybe? Also, don't forget to use ".biz" and not ".bz"
mp_en_viaje: also, dear rando "ddos" schmuck : it ain't working, it ain't gonna work, give up, you fail at this like everything else in your life, oookay ?
mp_en_viaje: and in other news, holy hell prague's into bon jovi. wtf happened here
mp_en_viaje: << win.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 14:18:25 diana_coman: - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags)
mp_en_viaje: ahh, what a pleasure with these logs already!
mp_en_viaje: << sounds pretty sweet tbh,
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 18:22:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. )
mp_en_viaje: << defo buy the guy lunch.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 18:34:02 asciilifeform: it did. which is why i'ma take the half hr to go there an' recon.
mp_en_viaje: << i'd rather delegate wholesale than create a bits-and-pieces madness.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 22:18:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there.
mp_en_viaje: << ideally document both lobes on own blog article, like sane civilised ppls.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 22:33:27 asciilifeform: my orig. method of search, was braindamaged. did it from 0 again, properly.
mp_en_viaje: << i expect to be ble to put these in within ~hour.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 00:29:12 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje Whenever you can make it to the namecheap panel I've got an authoritive nameserver ready on some ips for through
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: are comments closed on trilema?
mp_en_viaje: nope ?
mp_en_viaje: da fuck, 1sec
diana_coman: hm, let me try from somewhere else; atm it says "Both comments and pings are currently closed." on
mp_en_viaje: nfi whatsoever what might've caused that.
mp_en_viaje: looking
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, fixed ; nfi how it got set up that way.
mp_en_viaje: the joys of modern computing, do the exact same thing 10k times, get different results 0.02% of the time
diana_coman: lolz, the unpredictable script
mp_en_viaje: << not bad.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 13:04:29 asciilifeform: ( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. )
mp_en_viaje: from bitter root experience of failure comes renewed effort to do shit right, i take it ?
mp_en_viaje: << it only makes sense if you'll actually do it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:05:36 asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
mp_en_viaje: << the question keeps shifting, seeing how originally discussion was re coupla servers, not 28 fgs. in any case, the answer was then just as what is now : nsa will take .9 btc as it's owed in either cash or some other thing of equal value, for pizarro's convenience.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:44:22 asciilifeform: mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run .
mp_en_viaje: there won't be a yes/no until there's a specific list of what pizarro actually proposes.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, the above is now done, in the sense that are being announced ; mind though that you're not supposed to have all these in the same c block ideally.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty. Once more friendly boxes start getting stood up I'd like to start meaningfully speading the DNS around. Different c-blocks, different continents, etc.
mp_en_viaje: cool.
BingoBoingo has a couple requests for blogs to stand up on 'anyserver' to attend to.
mp_en_viaje: meh, apparently half an article made it in wtf is this
bvt: << please proceed with the installation
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 20:54:58 BingoBoingo: bvt: Do you want me to stand up an instance of your blog from the UY1 backup?
BingoBoingo: bvt, ty I'll get yours lined up.
asciilifeform: so, achtung, panzers ! asciilifeform -- signed up for rack.
asciilifeform: 22u (2 occupied by power an/ net panel) so yields 20 holes.
asciilifeform: took a while to go over the contract, cross out things i didn't like , etc. but all eaten. rack people took the dough, promised keys on friday (apparently needs day to clear cheque and day to run wire.)
asciilifeform: also came back with some photos (unlike latech, these people not allergic, apparently, to photo), will post.
mod6: cool, ty alf
BingoBoingo: ty for the good news
asciilifeform: pretty fancy house, btw, vs. latech's.
asciilifeform: unmarked bldg, in the middle of nowhere. inside, tho, resembling hybrid of dc and lobby of 5star hotel, flunkies bring coffee etc.
diana_coman: oh hey, well done asciilifeform !
diana_coman: and I still want to take a rk there, as soon as it's available really; atm my sad pile of isp idiots is only growing ,with not much useful to show for it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma start fillin' it as soon as get keyz
asciilifeform: and all l1 people are invited. (at some point l2 ditto, after erryone in l1 who wants in, is in.)
asciilifeform: will write a photops0t right after tea, re: what i found inside.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'a+++ machinepark' until i've, lol, actually plugged sumthing in. but by all indications promising, in-biz since '94 and claims 0 outage complaints to date. sits on regional backbone.
asciilifeform: has amenities i had nfi even existed in dc -- dock and crane for loading irons, and hydraulic cranes on wheels for insertions of boxen.
asciilifeform: all w/ 0 surcharge for use.
asciilifeform: 2 battery rooms & 4 megawatt diesels.
asciilifeform: and all this, for a pittance.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw, ~all the isps in the US that I even looked at were significantly cheaper than similar eu-based ones (which in turn cheaper than some more exotic locations)
asciilifeform: << this !
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:41:31 mp_en_viaje: from bitter root experience of failure comes renewed effort to do shit right, i take it ?
diana_coman: the eu-cheap usually means they have a dc in moldova/ro/bulgaria, lolz.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: apparently we found ~1~ thing that's cheap in usa..
asciilifeform had a very 'you get what pay for' upbringing so hesitant to 'get excite'. but it's by all indications a genuine rack, in genuine dc, and dirt cheap. we find out moar by actually pluggin' in...
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so you know, maybe worth actually to
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:43:38 mp_en_viaje: << it only makes sense if you'll actually do it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm for. q then for mod6 .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: place seems to have a++ service , asciilifeform was sat in the board room in the throne and treated like royalty. fwiw.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
asciilifeform writes ps0t...
asciilifeform: << ding
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: << to answer this good q : 'braindamaged' search used search engines ; less-braindamaged turned out to be to walk local biz directories in search of anyffin appearing to offer colo.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:29:13 mp_en_viaje: << ideally document both lobes on own blog article, like sane civilised ppls.
feedbot: << Loper OS -- An Inexpensive Machine Park, of Yet-Indeterminate Quality.
asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods.
asciilifeform brb,meats.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell bvt
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform back.
asciilifeform goes to read mp re how germany sux.
asciilifeform: << bought, btw, if wasn't clear from thrd, it's goin' in the switch.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:39:39 mp_en_viaje: << not bad.
asciilifeform: wb trinque
trinque: good evening asciilifeform
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 20 hours and 8 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Were you wanting a blog set up on the 'anyserver' as well?
trinque: BingoBoingo: no thanks, I'm going to take the opportunity to simplify my server situation a bit and consolidate.
trinque: stood up another bouncer now, so I should be more reachable.
trinque goes to eat log
asciilifeform: trinque: quick q for when you have 5m : do you know how to 'bless' usb stick into bootability ? for some reason stuck on this ( machine is known to boot stix, boots the heathen gentoo 'live' thing. but not mine, tho is set up exactly like the hdd from earlier test w/ diana_coman )
trinque: << nah, what I did was replaced with libressl, which is only infinitesimally less evil
trinque: asciilifeform: hm, boot flag on partition's set?
trinque: also mbr and not gpt?
asciilifeform: has to be mbr ?
trinque: iirc gpt incurs efi bullshit to be bootable
trinque: can't recall what. w/e it was, I did it on the two-headed server in uy to use the larger disks
trinque: BingoBoingo: do you have a disk cremation plan btw?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma retry it w/ mbr, i dun have a >2tb usb keychain that'd justify gpt and dun expect anybody else does
asciilifeform: ( simply was hoping to use same recipe for 'infecting' usb stix as for normal installs, is all )
asciilifeform: trinque: currently this is for asciilifeform's pre-cuntoo gentoo, but i expect the method can be later transplanted to cuntoo.
asciilifeform: << was, fwiw, set, it's set in the published recipe.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 20:30:50 trinque: asciilifeform: hm, boot flag on partition's set?
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty for letting me know.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw interesting similarities in that dc thing to your 'cowork'. there's toilets, showers, kitchens, workshops w/ antistatic desks etc.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I do not have a concrete cremation plan yet. Magnesium blocks are not as ubiquitous here as in old country. Will be hitting up large 'big box' type operation tomorrow shopping packing supplies and will check their outdoors section.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hit the sunday market and buy 1 of those crates of old photoflash cubes i saw there, if found. otherwise what you said.
BingoBoingo: trinque: As it stands the plan is destructively decap and then abrade chips before hammering.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AH, ty.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whichever method of execution is used, make sure whole thing caught on camera. will be likbez for others.
BingoBoingo: I focused my search too much Sunday on the camping firestarter blocks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, dun let this become a life-consuming project
asciilifeform: oughta be pretty quick thing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll try not to let this consume too much time, but the destructive abrasive decapping of at least some of the NAND should be informative. Should be able to jump from 80 grit to take the plastic off to the diamond bits to ruin the lithography.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
asciilifeform: over here they're fiddibux. look in orc shoppe.
asciilifeform: ( i assume BingoBoingo has enuff sense not to need reminder to do it under open sky, far from nosy parkers etc , is obv. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The logistics of that will be the last thing worked out.
BingoBoingo this week at the feria ended up walking out with just some arepas and one of those nylon web belts with the friction buckle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile , kindergarten arithm: in machine rack (22u) 1 hole occupied by patch panel (1u), power strip (1u), then will need 1u moar of mains sockets , 1u for switch, 1u for shelf (entrance router, apu's) , 1u asciilifeform will reserve for own www box, leaving 16 holes ; in 1 , rk plant will live. 15 for the courageous among l1 .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: can you side mount more sockets?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they dun seem to have side holes, but may be able to 'cheat' and bolt to rear of shelf. if it actually comes that i have a packed booth.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect that will fill pipe and mains (10 ampere) before i physically fill halftower.
BingoBoingo: AH
asciilifeform: the full tower comes with 10x (not misprint) pipe, 1GB.
asciilifeform: guaranteed, supposedly, for 24/7 at full tilt.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other nice thing, apparently 'if dun like -- can spit and leave'. month-to-month subscription.
BingoBoingo: That's nice
asciilifeform: after latech, was pleasant surprise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i even asked 'where is the display/kbd cart', it was wheeled to me to inspect.
asciilifeform: cart and hydraulic crane is shared, 1 of each per hall, there's 2 halls.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i inquired whether dc is primary line of biz in that shop. seems that it is not, they bolt together and sell 1 of those 'disk array' things, petabyte ea. there's a factory floor of sorts.
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Sound like when they went shopping they were looking at buildings and the datacenter already happened to be there.
asciilifeform: nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dc originally belonged to brit telecom co.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Uruguay:
asciilifeform: lol, draft card for BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Too old. Not (yet) a citizen.
asciilifeform: a.
BingoBoingo: And the military pay here is... Abysmal. By Uruguay standards. Director of the Hospital Militar makes 70,000 pesos a month, because that what his rank gets him. 35+ pesos to the dollar...
asciilifeform: seems ~on-par with e.g. ru.
asciilifeform: ( in usa also mil pay is nuffin to brag about. full colonel makes ~same as programmer. )
BingoBoingo: Privates/sailors get around 10,000 pesos a month which is below the minimum for any other activity in the country at 15,000 pesos
asciilifeform: lol sailors, 3-boat navy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well the Armada is also the coast guard. Lots of small boat for that. Also a Naval Infantry that does the motorcycle escort thing.
BingoBoingo: How they keep folks in though is they have a relatively lavish and unfunded "caja militar" for retirement
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 more lul re dc expedition -- saw same thing as in uy, some folx have old pentium towers in'ere , plugged into white konsoomer mains strips. apparently this not only in orcistan.
asciilifeform: 'how does that fella clean that bottom 'dell' in there?' 'ask him, not us'
BingoBoingo: Well, legacy systems
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:25:46 mp_en_viaje: << i'd rather delegate wholesale than create a bits-and-pieces madness.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform asked 'what if i want to buy own'. was shown jawdropping lulz where arin wants not only 'get on wait list' but 1000+ / yr in 'organizational maintenance fee' and +150/yr for each contig. block maintained etc.
asciilifeform: 'they also want justification' 'this means what?' 'that you actually use' 'how they verify?' 'that they ping' 'mmok'
asciilifeform: 'grandfathered-in' owners apparently pay ~0.
asciilifeform: ( i dun expect mp is having to pay, having bought in 'golden age' )
asciilifeform: lacking a working time machine, asciilifeform did not hurry to buy ip tract, just yet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: LACNIC does something similar, but LACNIC headquarters is also ~8 km away from chair for some awful reason.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness, they 'if you want'em RIGHT NAO' 'we can hook you up with broker' 'howmuch' '6k for /24'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, I just peaked. Some /19s for sale apparently
asciilifeform: peeked?
asciilifeform: sumthing, somewhere, BingoBoingo , is always! for sale. i went to buy 1st small cage, tho, not whole planetoid. planetoid maybe -- later.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed.
asciilifeform: 1st to test that a cage in world's most batshit jurisdiction is actually livable.
asciilifeform bbl:moarmeat.

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