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BingoBoingo: Every day it sucks still more to be Argentine
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trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
mp_en_viaje: << i didn't mean physical strength (nor are women physically stronger ; men are just lazy and "unmotivated" aka hallucinatory optionality. childbearing resolves a lot of this dumb shit out of female heads).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 18:11:44 BingoBoingo: Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around.
mp_en_viaje: i meant stronger as in "a stronger play", they make better horses, how the hell should we introduce this concept.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
mp_en_viaje: and speaking of trilematic prophecy, check the shit out that 2010 article! say paragraph fits the "problem" exactly like a fucking glove, holy hell what.
mp_en_viaje: << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:02 lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
mp_en_viaje: works exactly as intended ; we're here making tools to work ~with~ the user, not against the user. which is why i say it's not a bug, merely permitting the user to be stupid if he so chooses is no bug.
mp_en_viaje: << excellent!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:20 lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
mp_en_viaje: << you've made quite the conundrum for yourself. as a service operator, aesthetic rates are a serious problem, because look how you've forced upon yourself this spurious dilemma of "do my negrates not mean much, or do my negrates fuck up my business"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 01:23:32 trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
mp_en_viaje: traditionally the problem was resolved by getting a fool/chaplain (or both) to do the aesthetic rating for the lord running a public service of import. get yourself some pages i guess.
diana_coman: - and moreover, jfw already looked deeper at it, so they'll coordinate and it will be fixed.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 22:19:53 lobbes: so turns out diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution to the mentioned bug above
diana_coman: - hm; now I'll have to see this in detail then.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 05:13:53 mp_en_viaje: << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
mp_en_viaje: it could be prevented server-side at the cost of increasing code complexity, which... it's fucking php, wtf.
diana_coman: there seemed to be a bit more to it from jfw's notes
diana_coman: but I hadn't yet had the time to actually look at it.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, this seems to be re the footnotes ?
diana_coman: the selected part? no.
diana_coman: ah, in his notes there is that *afterwards*, yes
diana_coman: anyways, when he wakes up I'll see what he has there exactly and will figure it out.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't look into it ; but going by the novel symbol <fn>, i expect he did a stupid thing, equivalent to walking on a rake, by declaring the footnote separators to be tag-like, <fn> and </fn>
mp_en_viaje: trilema uses (( and )). this is correct, too, should be 2 chars not 4, and should not use the fucking </> format either.
mp_en_viaje: most of php is actually exactly like this -- "doctor, it hurts when i do X" "don't".
diana_coman: that is possible but an additional thing there anyway; well, in truth, ~all php hurts from my pov.
mp_en_viaje: rakes, also.
diana_coman: sure; an abundance of rakes even more so.
diana_coman: I suspect he's coming from heavy-markup use habit too so probably yes.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with automated systems is this : the moment you try to make automated systems for interacting with people, you're stuck with an unresolvable problem. i happen to prefer the scythe to the "modern" lawnmower.
mp_en_viaje: there's a vacant lot next to my place, here. and the middle class "investor" owners of it came late summer to cut down the grass (city ordnances threatening fines no doubt impelling them), with a brand-new... wheedwhacker, they paid a hundy or two for, in tow.
mp_en_viaje: i pulled out chairs on top balcony overlooking it and we had drinks watching the morons fight late summer banat grass with a wheedwhacker. it was better than tv.
diana_coman: ahahaha
mp_en_viaje: can you imagine it ? i daresay you might be able to!
diana_coman: but honestly, this automated system that is same for *everyone* is something I just can't see; ie each can automate their own system, sure; but beyond that it gets iffy.
mp_en_viaje: a man with a scythe would have done that plot in a few hours ; these muppets broke the tool and their hands and their hopes for a better future, while doing less damage to the field than a wild hog.
mp_en_viaje: so, you know, php... yeah, it's inadequate for many things. most things.
diana_coman: heh, that's precisely the image that came to mind: them fighting and breaking the tool while the grass stood the same way.
mp_en_viaje: i daresay there exists no other system i'd trust to display my words for others.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't know; why do you trust php?
mp_en_viaje: because it's dumb enough.
diana_coman: I can see the angle.
mp_en_viaje: specifically because it ~can't~ do all sorts of "desirable" things that aren't.
mp_en_viaje: not that the sorta people don't try.
diana_coman: I still think it does too much, lol.
mp_en_viaje: this is entirely possibly the case ; but i'm not rewriting the lamp stack to find out.
mp_en_viaje: maybe one day *tm)
diana_coman: yes, it's in *that* pile.
mp_en_viaje: this said, a scythe is positively deadly for children
diana_coman: eh, ~everything is positively deadly for children really.
mp_en_viaje: it has that shape, made to fuck grass. it'll fuck simpletons just as well. hence the falx, the traditional weapon of muh ppl, the one thing the romans feared.
mp_en_viaje: yet imo, scything is ~still~, to this day, the superior grass cutting tech.
mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
diana_coman: and up any sort of hills/uneven terrain, yes.
mp_en_viaje: right. doesn't work for the "house on the ground" style 3sq ft spaces. but otherwise -- unbeated, ~unbeatable~.
diana_coman: (heh, reading back in jfw quotes re footnotes, yes: he avoided (()) because of lisp-code worries so ended up on the <fn> mess).
mp_en_viaje: so let him use you know, ^^ what of it
diana_coman: sure, not a problem, his blog anyway.
mp_en_viaje: ~~ || [[ there's so many syntactically forbidden doublingd anyway.
diana_coman: there's always this code-text tension that annoys me because I still read it as broken-sign: code should be text but then each time I try to get it along text, it doesn't play well, ugh.
mp_en_viaje: no, i know. hence my comment above re people-interaction-automation.
mp_en_viaje: and this is the irresolvable problem : by the very definition of things, i can write anything.
mp_en_viaje: fin.
diana_coman: heh.
mp_en_viaje: there'll never be a better solution ; because there can't be. because there's no solution to this problem, i can write insane nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: and do.
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BingoBoingo:<< Right. The tiny mommies gone beast of burden for the smaller, potential, people that fall out of em... suggest a greater capacity to adapt to task in spite of theit physiological disadvantage when it comes to packing on more muscle. Of course left on their own, eventually the tiny mommies break and go mula on a long enough timeline.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-01 08:04:57 mp_en_viaje: i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
BingoBoingo: << Here the parks are usually done with the worst of the old/new combination. Gangs of people running string trimmers. Not just in the sense of "we ripped up the sod and had to let the Bermuda get tall before we dared put feet on it. It's how they do the routine mowing!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-01 10:56:41 mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
mp_en_viaje: fucking sad.
mp_en_viaje: it won't last though, their arms will fall off from the vibe, and who's gonna replace ?
mp_en_viaje: though probably nonsense will be secreted to "replace", socialism always has at the ready "the power of scientific progress". they'll "discover" the great value aesthetic of fallow lots.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-31 08:06:42 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
diana_coman: ahaha, but ofc; and the poetry of concrete
ossabot: Logged on 2018-08-30 15:11:10 diana_coman: except the Morandi bridge and possibly more of Italy from what I hear
BingoBoingo: It really is. Except for the religious string trimming that leave the grass uneven with brown tips, the local parks aren't far removed from fallow. Though some larger expanses get the tractor towed mower.
BingoBoingo: Never mind the fuckers could indigenously produces reel mowers. They have the tech for that, though prolly better to ave Brasil do it for quality control reasons.
diana_coman: dunno, here in parks they actually have a guy that specifically *takes care of the grass* ie re-seeds it if needed, aerates the soil, etc.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Some of the older, bigger plazas have structures suggesting they were once managed in that way.
BingoBoingo: I suspect it is the local labor groups that force the string trimmer worst of all worlds solution
BingoBoingo: Mind that aerating or power raking is an iffy proposition. Hard to tell when the soil's eroded and taken one of the plastic pipes into cutting/stabbing depth.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i have somewhere on trilema a pic of the contrasting grasscutting worlds, men with scythes on one side of the road, with the gasoline 2stroke luls on the other isde
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in pre-trielma diana_coman :
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I always imagine as a consequence the story of Death-With-A-Lawnmower at that image.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahahaha; I'm generally fine with the questions I ask, lol.
mp_en_viaje: lol
mp_en_viaje: (literally, "how to go about finding out what you don't yet know you don't know".)
BingoBoingo: Outside the parks, there's the occasional patch of fescue or some other real grass that makes for quite the stark contrast.
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mod6: trinque: I was able to get a !!balance, but !!withdraw did not issue me a challenge. Here's the info, thanks in advance:
mp_en_viaje: hey diana_coman : i'm trying to leave a "The keks of 2019 salute you.\n\nCum mai e pe la doctorat ?" comment on but no matter what i do -- "
mp_en_viaje: Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
mp_en_viaje: it's not fucking stale, i just reloaded it ; seems there's some other switch above that one with no proper error outpu tthat then just falls through here. both these issues prolly need a fix
mp_en_viaje: also, either your archives are broken ( << missing 2nd page link on that archive, which in fact has two pages of which one can't be reached, hence why it ends on 11th ?) or else some articles are missing ?
mp_en_viaje: an' in any case, any chance i can convert you to the title-date format for archives, like say, so i'm not stuck scrolling through miles of body if reviewing just titles ?
mp_en_viaje: oh look at that, the trilema archive for the current years, ~titles only~ and excluding sidebars etc > 5k words.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: how do I convert to title-date? is there a switch somewhere?
mp_en_viaje: i think it's a theme thing
diana_coman: because yes, I wanted that but never made the time to dig in the mp-wp
diana_coman: ugh
mp_en_viaje: want my archive.php ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: please.
mp_en_viaje: 1sec
diana_coman: that thing with stale page is weird; it happened to me on a few times too (ie had to change machine to get around it)
diana_coman: - the "missing" there is on the .wordpress thing in the very beginning so yeah not in archives on my site directly.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 15:43:21 mp_en_viaje: also, either your archives are broken ( << missing 2nd page link on that archive, which in fact has two pages of which one can't be reached, hence why it ends on 11th ?) or else some articles are missing ?
diana_coman: I suppose I could get & import those from there too, for historical reasons, why not.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman,
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: thanks, let me see here.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, prolly should yeah.
diana_coman: eh, along that line I *did* throw away a pile of papers & letters from when I was 16 or shit, lolz.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, tried via rando webproxy and indeed, comment made it. nfi, must be some "optimized" reloads browser side i guess
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, if you had them, would you read them ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: and rather surprisingm when I actually took the time to look into the archive.php thing, it was as easy as snip-the-shit
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: me? neah, I know very well what was in them, lolz.
mp_en_viaje: a ok then :)
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, and mazel tov.
mp_en_viaje: this is how php ~is supposed to~ work. sometimes even does ; especially if no engineers were involved with the portion.
diana_coman: ahaha; dunno, it was the original archive.php of that theme there and it actually doesn't look anything like your archive.php from the paste; but at least yes, it was clear enough.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, << but could it also be unpaginated ?
mp_en_viaje: defeats the entire puporse
diana_coman looks
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
mp_en_viaje: aite.
mp_en_viaje: y u no write 1000 articles/year!!!1
diana_coman: made it 10k even; if/when I write 10k posts, then yes.
diana_coman: aha.
diana_coman: per month, why year!!!
mp_en_viaje: imo better large max than no max anyways.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, month is optional, looky :
diana_coman: I know it's optional but so what.
mp_en_viaje: so per year!
mp_en_viaje: in other news, i suspect you might be the current record holder re longest footnote.
mp_en_viaje: with that gnarly alf irc quote thing
diana_coman: go me
mp_en_viaje: it's mostly him.
diana_coman: go me @ him.
mp_en_viaje: yeee
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mp_en_viaje: o.o
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diana_coman: ugh, wtf.
diana_coman: ah, because of no-pages??
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diana_coman: spyked, help!
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mp_en_viaje: !!down feedbot
deedbot: mp_en_viaje may not $down feedbot.
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mp_en_viaje: dang, what did you do.
diana_coman: o.O
mp_en_viaje: gah.
mircea_popescu: !!down feedbot
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, did you change your url structure ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: weird.
diana_coman: just 1. took out content from archives.php 2. increased limit at per page
diana_coman: and I suspect it's that last one that triggered "new" because now different url ie no page-2 ,no?
diana_coman: so myeah, php works like this on the spot with the usual potential side effects, ugh.
diana_coman: anyways, my apologies.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, imo, no.
mircea_popescu: what happened is the content of rss page changed drastically.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ie taking out the content of the posts from rss did it?
mircea_popescu: << look it. feedbot skipped the one it saw, and...
mircea_popescu: no, you removed the limit. went from 5 to 1k
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: but so what, those 1k were still old/seen, no?
mircea_popescu: apparently not.
diana_coman: can't be, it spewed here relatively recent ones.
mircea_popescu: spyked, can answer for this :D
mircea_popescu: ~relatively~
mircea_popescu: starts with most recent 6th
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you mean some very old one triggered feedbot and then it didn't check, just kept going to the end?
mircea_popescu: i mean, your rss page was 5 items, which feedbot knew ; then your rss page had 1k items, of which feedbot knew... the first five. so listed the rest.
diana_coman: sigh; I dunno I could have avoided this though and still switch just archives to unpaginated.
mircea_popescu: what, free feedbot testing, what's the problem.
diana_coman: well, flooded everyone subscribed to feedbot.
mircea_popescu: we hang spyked for shoddy bot coding once he shows up, whynot :D
mircea_popescu: i'm actually surprised it's not getting dc'd.
diana_coman: iirc he set it some timer because it was getting wedged on too many so now probably that works to... keep it up, lolz
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: In other news, local Navy intercepted Greenpeace derps
mircea_popescu: any hot chicks confiscated ?
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell nothing notably better than the existing local assets
asciilifeform: !!deed
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mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the greater sadness of "engineer"/fucktard mentality, i should probably translate
mircea_popescu: sadly i'm not equal to the task ; i have no fucking idea how that wouldsound in english.
mircea_popescu: the fact is that a WHOLE COUNTRY, literal millions of engineers, gathered together in what was, for all practical purposes, a political party, produced... nothing, over 20 years.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in imperial lulz, the ministry of continued pretense has merged tumblr into...
mircea_popescu: automattic (the alt-world mp-wp maintainer / saboteur group)
BingoBoingo: AHA
mircea_popescu: o right.
mircea_popescu: i apparently... forgot o.o
BingoBoingo: Well, August feels like ancient history this November 1st
mircea_popescu: funny how that works huh
BingoBoingo: Indeed it is
diana_coman: so it would seem that jfw has actually found a bug with those html chars, except it wasn't in the original mp-wp but in billymg's trimming patches so that should get fixed now.
billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
billymg: (well, that particular line should still have been removed, but should have preserved its "true" evaluation result rather than "false")
billymg: anyway, will have two patches up shortly, one for the fix and one for a test of that behavior
billymg bbl
mircea_popescu: ah!
mircea_popescu: incidentally : i'm pretty suspicious of something after-i-released it, because ~my~ mp-wp doesn't do the weird thing re chars/encodings spyked & all been comp;laining about.
mircea_popescu: or wait, this is what you were talking about huh. i c
BingoBoingo: Apologies if anyone has a bunch of incoming pings. I ran and the scope of things to ping expanded beyong the local trackbacks. Got a ctrl-c
BingoBoingo: But Pingbacks, at last of the local sort now work on 'anyserver'
mircea_popescu: i got a few from like 2013 ; approved
mircea_popescu: anyways -- i dun think a blog should list pingbacks either in the comment rss or in the "new comments" navbar.
BingoBoingo: Right, Clogs out the people.
BingoBoingo: And I'm going to move the cleaning recent comments and pingbacks down the work order list

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