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lobbes: mircea_popescu: before I commit this fix to a patch, do the excerpts on these comments look saner to you as well? http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/generic-pingback-target/#comment-134
lobbes: the 'pingback linkback' selector is still suffering from the strip-spaces bug whaack found in the xmlrpc.php, but as that is outside of the scope of the logotron tree I figure that can wait for another day and this bot can be put to bed.
lobbes: (plus whaack iirc has his sights on this for fixing anyways)
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949915 - preference is for AMD arch as easiest & more familiar to deploy on & work with; that being said, if no AMD available, will go with Intel; for concrete specs, the current server is rather undemanding and it ran fine on fx-8350 eg something like this should work absolutely fine.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:27:30 mircea_popescu: any preferences re spec ?
ossabot: Logged on 2018-02-05 20:57:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
diana_coman: re use, the heaviest part is db queries really.
diana_coman: I should mention that we'll possibly need to review this once we do the release (ie dev server goes into production with the smg communications protocol and hopefully decrufted of most shit otherwise)
mircea_popescu: review as in get a new machine ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
mircea_popescu: $select_tail = "?b=".substr(strip_tags($excerpt),0,12)."&e=".substr(strip_tags($excerpt),0,4)."#select";
mircea_popescu: on trilema/s xmlrpc.php as a private fix (which still dun work correctly, for some yet undiscovered reason spaces get eaten), but anyways, select should output no empty e.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: review as in finally being able to actually benchmark the server and get some concrete idea as to what it needs ; as a result it might be a new machine, yes.
mircea_popescu: so to be clear here, you specifically want two dc hosted machines, one dev one prod ? or are you happy with home-hosted dev ?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I had the "stale page" thing on your blog ~10 times and only now (after letting it be for a while funnily enough) it went through
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'm happy with home-hosted dev.
diana_coman: just the prod needs to be on dc
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we will also need some lightweight place to set up the website
mircea_popescu: in which case, should get a 8+ core amd of some kind, 32+gb and a coupla disks, raidless ok, and then review for upgrade in what, a few months ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sounds good.
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: i intend to put bimboclub, thewhet, eulorawebsite etc on the trilema backup server lobbes is comissioning.
diana_coman: ah, ok.
mircea_popescu: younghands/yourblog etc can also go there if you wish.
diana_coman: I might take you on the offer there for my blog if I don't manage to scare up something locally; I have currently some guys next door that I want to talk to, they seem to be at least talkable-tio
diana_coman: so thank you and I'll get back to you on that.
mircea_popescu: aite.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re-reading the discussion yesterday it occured to me that the loggers & irc weren't mentioned at all
mircea_popescu: well, they were mentioned in the sense spyked apparently wants to spend the remainder of the year fucking with them.
diana_coman: I am maintaining the logger and I intend to maintain it but any further development can happen only when I get some pages finally up to speed to help as I really don't have currently ~any time left to sink in that.
mircea_popescu: why not just switch to the mp-wp patch ?
mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
diana_coman: I still have to figure that out exactly what it does, how it works and so on; I'll have to look into it then.
mircea_popescu: well, lobbes is gonna demo it soonish.
diana_coman: looking forward to the demo.
mircea_popescu: can you ~fucking belive~ that utterly moronic "scientist" NOT ONLY was too fucking special in his shit-for-brains mind to actually use working solutions "over all these years", but actually vomited an entire EXTRA pile of expensive yet worthless dependencies into our process ?
mircea_popescu: the specialisation of expensive yet worthless, bloody hell.
diana_coman: I once said something on idealism and I still stand by it.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-10 diana_coman: structure of thought first and foremost; and note that idealism is precisely the inability to see (notice+comprehend) much of the fabric of reality.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947539 and http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-28#1000723 , futu-ti gura ma-tii.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 01:58:11 asciilifeform: can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ?
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-10-28 asciilifeform: if mp wants to throw out the people who are his hands, like used candy wrappers, it's b/w him and odin, i have no power to persuade him of anyffin. but it remains the case that i'm fully equipped to provide machine service to my l1 folx who want it. and w/ very short turnaround. all service req's are to be gpg'd to asciilifeform, and posted here. will use deedbot for so long as able, then will have to make other arrangement.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, what's so idealistic about shit nobody uses because it stinks ? i dun get it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's precisely it, the "who or if uses" does not even enter into consideration there; it's built "because it should be so according to the ideals"
diana_coman: and that's all that matters
mircea_popescu: idealism is one thing. the worship of "shit we know an' are used to" is not idealism. nor is it any kind of conservatism, it's crypto-stupidity ; the same sense of crypto contemplated in 1990s "crypto-communism". cryptic, hermetically sealed in the shit in one's head, outside of the reach of thought.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, what fucking ideals ever demand the breakage of a unusable cvasi-blog ?
diana_coman: well, not able to notice + comprehend reality = in own head, ofc, where else remains.
mircea_popescu: fucking infuriating.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sigh; you'd be surprised perhaps but I doubt it's worth the time to describe in much more detail.
mircea_popescu: there he sat, the fuckhead, FOR YEARS, "oh, one day will mp-wp, hurr durr". one day, rite. then, when push came to shove, DID NOT KNOW what didn't know. because hadn't done. because etcetera.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, nah, i'm with you, forget about it. ima go take a shit
mircea_popescu: it'll prolly come out as a much greater addition to the world than the remainder of this discussion.
diana_coman: I'll go and talk to those guys to see if I can get a server with them.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, an unexpected point occurs. do you have a chatlog eater tool ?
mircea_popescu: because i'm thinking... i should probably just import all antique logs, have them in one place finally.
mircea_popescu: and if i do that, i'd better do it before i publish later logs on trilema, so the guids aren't in three waters.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, when i do that, we're looking at a solid eight years aka 3k articles or so. it'll be an insane log day. i intend to publish them 15s apart or something.
hanbot considers what to put on 12.5hr playlist to accompany the article-scroll
mircea_popescu: chansons de paris!
mircea_popescu: ... un coin du vieux Montmartre
mircea_popescu hums "Emportés par la foule qui nous traîne, nous entraîne nous éloigne l'un de l'autre ...Je lutte et je me débats mais le son de ma voix s'étouffe dans les rires des autres....Et je crie de douleur, de fureur et de rage, et je pleure... "
diana_coman: even better: et je m'en fous.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: piaf period female life & drama is purely circular.
mircea_popescu: ""
mircea_popescu: "Entraînée par la foule qui s'élance et qui danse, une folle farandole, je suis emportée au loin et je crispe mes poings, maudissant la foule qui me vole l'homme qu'elle m'avait donné et que je n'ai jamais retrouvé..."
diana_coman: no, I know, I grew up on French, not on English really; but if it's at that, I'd go at least for jojo se prenait pour voltaire et pierre pour casanova et moi, moi qui etais le plus fier moi, moi je me prenais pour moi
diana_coman: anyways, 6 months in france cured me of francophilie
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, will see if error.log reveals anything at a glance
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/ or http://trilema.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/ http://trilema.com/2016/fred-wilson-is-an-idiot-and-other-things/ http://trilema.com/2013/the-dork-of-the-month-award/ Candidates that clicked for the article you wanted yesterday
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, well, vieux montmartre, not the current sadness.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, none of those.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in historical lulz, https://www.coindesk.com/coindesks-influential-people-blockchain-2016
mircea_popescu: meanwile in other lulz, "Sh Dr Haitham al-Haddad summarises his fatwa on Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies."
mircea_popescu: (spoiler : just another fat dude talking into the camwhore's instrument, like every other esltarded "comedian" / "content producer" etc)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#comment-132178 << BingoBoingo check it out, "braindamage" found it. is it you ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not me
BingoBoingo: Just returned from getting groceries and a VGA to HDMI cable to get hardware specs outta the servers for prospective buyers
mircea_popescu: just returned from getting groceries also!
mircea_popescu: needed three carts and two bitchez to handle it all, ended up stuffing the car with smoked salmon by the pound &cetera
mircea_popescu: but, i must say, two-girl shopping trips are a delight. i just watch and nod while the people of walmart look from my switch to my bitch an' from my foods to my whores.
mircea_popescu: really the supermarket was invented for men with paris of girls, it's the only way that shit works right.
BingoBoingo: Nice. That does seem like the fix navigating the beast.
mircea_popescu: not even so much a matter of navigation, more like loading / pushing / unloading / reloading carts.
mircea_popescu: between the store-supplied wench running the ding machine and the home-brought wenches putting stuff on / taking it off the conveyorbelt, i daresay i run the world's most efficient supermarket operation.
mircea_popescu: as it turns out, modern economy takes 3 women teams at a minimum.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in poilu france, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Adolphe_Willette_-_Madeleine%2C_Monologue_et_9_dessins.jpg/800px-Adolphe_Willette_-_Madeleine%2C_Monologue_et_9_dessins.jpg
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/11/trend-micro-staff-sold-customer-information-outside-of-management-direction/ << Qntra -- Trend Micro Staff Sold Customer Information Outside Of Management Direction
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: Second time this year I caught one of those. Looking like an emerging trend afflicting large WoTless enterprises
mircea_popescu: really hard to run a 40 thieves' cave where the lesser theives don't steal anything
BingoBoingo: Especially if they can't shoot the lesser theives for Oslo larp reasons.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: The local commie pick for next econ minister if they win is promising "to continue increasing Uruguay's economic stability" as though stability is not the road to death and bad fruit
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: I think I've convinced a few people that "stability" is why they make more than Europeans while being poorer since... WTF can they buy?
mircea_popescu: no fucking way tjhey make more than euros ?!
mircea_popescu: they make the same ~500 a year bulgarians make, half a ro wage.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At least for the first half of 2019 their very flat wages normalized into dollars were above much of eastern Europe. 20,000 pesos was 600 USD to 700 USD versus the holy European 500 USD
BingoBoingo: This has since changed with the pesofall
mircea_popescu: no dude, nobody in yurp makes 500 lol. it's 1k on the low end (ro, pl, cz, etc) to 4-5k on the high end. france makes like 3k
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: inflation, baby
mircea_popescu: you're working on decade old figures.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: republic of moldavia, serbia etc are in the 500 zone
BingoBoingo: Serbia, Moldavia, Belarus seem like servicable alt-Uruguays, but I'm not really looking for another Uruguay.
mircea_popescu: belgrade is actually great, budget vienna.
BingoBoingo: ty, In that case I'll move Belgrade up with the first round of Atlantic Rim targets.
mircea_popescu: certainly better fucktoys walking the street than anything on the pacific assrim
BingoBoingo: Pacific coast has Lima, Santiago, and other second and their tier targets. Asian side of Pacific I'm not particularly interested, prioritizing on the level of western european shitholes that don't speak Spanish.
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949944 < this is gonna take me an extra 24-48h; the reading's worthwhile and denser than i imagined. after which i'll publish my accumulating notes. 'til then, diana_coman graciously plonked her logger in #trilema-hanbot, and all are welcome.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:43:55 hanbot: mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?
mircea_popescu: cool
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950085 << I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you want me to release a separate mp-wp patch for the xmlrpc.php fixes before we deploy the bot?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 09:55:07 mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
lobbes: just to remind, it was decided that the bot itself would be on the stan logbot tree. And indeed, that is what the current mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch rests on right now
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950107 << which relates to this; the above patched bot is still python-powered. (Granted, the flask bits have been removed, along with dependencies on things like the "Requests" library, etc.)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 10:03:46 mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
lobbes: But still, python-istic at the core (which does comply with your original spec).
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auction-preview-photos/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro Liquidation Auction Preview - Photos
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950130 << I do not. There exist both the irssi2tmsr and znc2tmsr patches to the stanlogger. In said logger, both of them convert logs to a format that is then fed to the postgres database. Conceivable to just make something similar, though, that would feed them into a mysql database
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:26:57 mircea_popescu: lobbes, an unexpected point occurs. do you have a chatlog eater tool ?
lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
lobbes: another merit being redundancy; if you run a blog, you can run a log.
lobbes: on second thought, I guess redundancy doesn't necessarily follow from "more convenient to run a logger". Okay, I restate my second merit to simply be: "convenience" (for what that is worth)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950193 << not necessarily.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:39 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950085 << I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you want me to release a separate mp-wp patch for the xmlrpc.php fixes before we deploy the bot?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 09:55:07 mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950195 << yeah ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:42 lobbes: just to remind, it was decided that the bot itself would be on the stan logbot tree. And indeed, that is what the current mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch rests on right now
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950196 << it's supposed to be ; the only alternative for pull-style interaction would be... bash, i guess ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950107 << which relates to this; the above patched bot is still python-powered. (Granted, the flask bits have been removed, along with dependencies on things like the "Requests" library, etc.)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 10:03:46 mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
mircea_popescu: the bot itself, the part that goes into channels and so on, that'll have to be something other than apache.
mircea_popescu: practical candidates being pretty much python or perl, there's no problem with python
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950200 << i guess i'm just going to write a converter ; which begs the question, how are we to sync our log histories here ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:02:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950130 << I do not. There exist both the irssi2tmsr and znc2tmsr patches to the stanlogger. In said logger, both of them convert logs to a format that is then fed to the postgres database. Conceivable to just make something similar, though, that would feed them into a mysql database
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:26:57 mircea_popescu: lobbes, an unexpected point occurs. do you have a chatlog eater tool ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950202 << this is actually a pretty great idea, bot could echo anything inside a #select-ed <span></span>
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:09:38 lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
mircea_popescu: couldja patch this in ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950213 << aa okay. For whatever reason I didn't take your meaning, but now I get it.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-08 02:45:51 mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950216 << Is syncing necessary with blog-log though?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:50:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950200 << i guess i'm just going to write a converter ; which begs the question, how are we to sync our log histories here ?
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950221 << I don't mind setting out to do so, but I also don't want to delay the bot's deployment (I have found that I am quite slow and inexperienced still). Would you want this patch before deployment?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:53:05 mircea_popescu: couldja patch this in ?

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