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diana_coman: trinque: ask me if there's any info you need from me; and are you going to answer this century re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950568 ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:53:35 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-03#1000013 - any eta on this?
diana_coman: even better, just publish the damned thing already, will you?
diana_coman: other than that, great to read a trinque-heavy log for once, ha.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 17:55:51 mircea_popescu: spyked, what sorta time could you commit on a weekly basis, if this tmsr os megaproject actually gets going ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951050 <-- this sounds more than reasonable to me
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 22:22:17 trinque: I'd like to approach this in phases, documentation preceding every phase's work product.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951078 <-- I have an old thinkpad with an intel 3000 (works decently for games that don't ask for the latest shaders & crap) and perhaps I could get my hands on other GPUs. the problematic point is that I'm spending a considerable portion of that allocated 10hrs in saeculum, without physical access to the hardware. so would have to work out some routine for
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 22:47:54 trinque: spyked: what about you, have a usable GPU?
spyked: testing, or maybe get some sort of remote kvm access installed.
spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
spyked: ^ imho would be worth doing this either way, if only because my familiarity with cuntoo so far is limited to reading the bootstrapper scripts.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951029 <-- just to be as pedantic as possible: plus all the deps needed to run the eulora client. from what I understand, would have to produce static builds of these, which touches new ground. not sure if e.g. http://www.eulorum.org/Gentoo is up to date, but we'd be the first to attempt doing a static build of nvidia-toolkit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:56:47 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
diana_coman: spyked: the eulora client build guides are still up to date, yes.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951092 << i think it's plenty.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 04:54:57 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.
mircea_popescu: a LOT can be accomplished in ten hours, provided one doesn't pay any being an engineer rents with them.
mircea_popescu: most high level tasks are "5 minutes' worth of not being fucking stupid"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951098 << that's silly. can't jus ttake the laptop over with you ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 05:03:13 spyked: testing, or maybe get some sort of remote kvm access installed.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951099 << possibly worth doing at least once anyways
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 05:05:55 spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
mircea_popescu: also, an attempt at a static nvidia-toolkit would be interesting regardless of results. afaik nobody even tried to any significant degree
mircea_popescu has 0 problem saying "oh, eulora only works on nvidia" or w/e limiting in this vein.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather it not be "only works on intel" if at all possible, but otherwise...
diana_coman: fwiw I actually ran it without that toolkit but the resulting quality of graphics is visibly low.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: and we intend to muchly broaden the extant gfx basis anyway, hence all these self-curing client genuflexions
diana_coman: a lot of the deps there are not fully mandatory in that if one wants, one can run the client anyway but at the extreme this goes to "well, if one WANTS TO, one can make their own bloody text client already and run that"
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so listen, e3-1241 or e5-2620 x2 ?
mircea_popescu: the latter has significant larger ram aperture (3x the speed, 16x the address space) and significantly more threads possibly (24 vs 8)
diana_coman: myeah, I was just having a look at the specs
mircea_popescu: they're intels tho.
diana_coman: that's the thing, that I'm not sure that it makes all that big difference really esp atm.
mircea_popescu: you gotta tell me.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much all e3/e5. i could perhaps squeeze a celeron if pressed, but there's no amds.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, listen, can this wait until I meet those dc guys tomorrow?
mircea_popescu: it can wait.
diana_coman: at the end of the day, if I get a rack or whatevers next to me, I can just as well plonk a server in there
diana_coman: and I can put whatever I buy.
mircea_popescu: sure.
diana_coman: I'll take my camera tomorrow and hopefully find some time in the evening to blog it up too
mircea_popescu: very nice.
mircea_popescu: ok so then ima put this on ice for a few.
diana_coman: thanks.
mircea_popescu still wants eulora prod server sorted this week.
diana_coman: noted.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951034 << the more i think about this, the less a problem i perceive. i mean, nobody even uses cd boot anymore, they do the hybrid thing so you can use the image on sticks too. well... there's 32gb sticks for ~free, you just set it with a data partition and that's that. in the very unlikely case someone actually has enough artwork to fill 32gb, um... you just tell the pl
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:58:37 trinque: if that's possible, it opens up kids throwing the thing into w/e school computer, like we used to do with quake back in the day.
mircea_popescu: ayer to buy a 256gb one or w/e. or alternatively... to only save the MOST USED 32 gb.
mircea_popescu: srsly, this can't become a problem.
BingoBoingo: Even down here the little shim for converting laptop optical disc bays into generic 2.5" SATA drive bays are common enough finding one wasn't a headache
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: pizarroisp.net shows a lot of warrnings/errors spew.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right, I put in on the 'anyserver' but haven't done any tweaks to it other than making it clear the operation is closed/closing. I'll give it a couple minutes and see if I can silence the spew.
mircea_popescu: hardly worth the bother huh
BingoBoingo: Well, I didn't think so, but I'll give it some minutes now that I know someone else is trying to read it.
BingoBoingo: And the spew's been silenced
mircea_popescu: #nomorespew
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: alternatively if you can point me directly to how you calculated http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950906, it would even save some time.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 19:35:26 BingoBoingo: !!pay diana_coman 0.10491609
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, on the basis of smg experience, he prorated by time
BingoBoingo: Rockchip 0.08691609 + Shared 0.018 on http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/
BingoBoingo: I split all of mircea_popescu_popescu's things for their being used for different ventures, wasn't sure if anyone else wanted that in the paying out.
BingoBoingo: But yes, everyone got prorated by time to figure out their customer equity.
diana_coman: it's ok, now I see where I had it wrong, got confused re start/end on the RK; it's fine as it is, thank you BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: You're welcome and thank you for checking.
BingoBoingo priviledged the deedbot returned ledgers and invoice statements over the notes in mathing, though everything was math'd. Repeatedly. Still I admit the room for error to creep in when doing math on calulator and will entertain claims, but preferably sooner instead of later.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in commercialization lulz, https://sissybrides.com/
BingoBoingo: In local news, the day of the last Presidential debate... The Argentina's president-elect came for a big photo shoot with Uruguay's sitting president and the Fat Forehead nominee. I am having serious trouble conceiving a situation where the commies aren't trying to throw the contest.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/11/medium-com-now-fetid-cesspool-of-spam-and-malware/ << Qntra -- Medium.com Now Fetid Cesspool Of Spam And Malware
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/jasons-folding/ << Trilema -- Jason's folding.
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950799 << yes, sure. the article with measurements will definitely come tomorrow -- most of it is written, measurents - finished, bugs - fixed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 22:03:27 mircea_popescu: bvt, once done fixing the kernel rng, you wana join in this fray by the way ?
mircea_popescu: neato
mircea_popescu: i'm really excited about this!
bvt: ty, i guess after the article it will become possible to decide what to use for each of the hashes; after that one more patch - user-settable key for hashing, and rng work will be done
bvt: re tmsr os - i am curious what work plan trinque will come up with, esp wrt static linking.
mircea_popescu: bvt, me too.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in glorious timewastes, space arena! never was the true substance&tragedy of design as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.

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