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diana_coman: in lolz & unexpected effects of moving blog:
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-21 Jeff78: The reason I'm interested in your project is because I saw the domain is directed to your project. I've started my own business recently after I graduated. To take it of the ground in germany I would be in need of the domain that is now pointing to your website. Would you be open to an offer from my side?
diana_coman: - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-20 20:51:14 lobbes: << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-15 09:42:22 mircea_popescu: << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 23:57:50 lobbes: << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-14 15:46:23 mircea_popescu: wouldja be willing to find something else ?
diana_coman: bot storm!
mircea_popescu: !!xeen trinque
mircea_popescu: !!seen trinque
deedbot: 2019/11/20 05:08:04 <trinque> nearly done with this experiment.
mircea_popescu: trinque, looky here, i have a job that needs done and a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys
mircea_popescu: this'd be the last call.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, sweet. insallah trilema's gonna start spitting logarticles today.
mircea_popescu: in the end the timeline is jan 12 2012 - mar 28 2016. introductory article just published.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you own ?!
diana_coman: no, I don't.
mircea_popescu: um.
diana_coman: someone left some records pointing to my new IP, what can I say; I don't... mind it.
mircea_popescu: lol poor guy. why the fuck does he think a domain does anything
mircea_popescu: that business ain't never getting off any "ground" it imaginary finds itself on, is it.
diana_coman: I tried to talk to him a bit but I have no idea how much got through
diana_coman: yeah & lots more imaginary to it but's a lot to hit him with in first 5 minutes anyway
diana_coman: he at least survived some conversation, lol.
mircea_popescu: hehe myeah
diana_coman: but maybe this is a better plan! move my ip every few months and watch people find me!!!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: in other news : Eulora server back online, new ip is ; players on the last client will have to edit their data/servers.xml to reflect the new ip to be able to connect. have fun y'all!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fatfinger expertises, i've managed to blank my scrollback somehow, mashing keyboard. this somehow never occured before, and holy hell is it ~distressing~
mircea_popescu: nfi why or what difference it makes, but the reptile mind perceives it very threateningly.
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile in important policy discussions : i've been thinking about bvt's theory, and while i can't say i'm done thinking nor much hope to ever be, here's a major problem i encounter :
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that "special purpose os" is a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, that the end result will be the "discovery" (which of course "nobody could have predicted", as ethical failure ever goes) of the... need for... an os, at the "core" of all these apps. basically we'd just be moving the goalposts, after spending however long making "an os, you mean an app" we'd discover all we get for our trouble is the need to rename our os an app and write an actual os, ie, back at square one
mircea_popescu: after however long spent with it.
mircea_popescu: comments welcome.
diana_coman: hm, I had to read that quite a few times to stop mixing app and os and getting confused there; I tend to think that the OS should not attempt to "for a purpose" mainly because a. still can't know it in advance and no matter how one defines it, in time it will diverge from what's needed and here we go again b. I think the hardware is more of a cause to start from. I went and re-read also spyked's previous attempts at ...
diana_coman: ... [][OS definition & discussion].
diana_coman: if I'm to see it as "os for a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.
hanbot: inasmuch as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr
hanbot: ee of extraniety.
hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i
hanbot: s such a thing as general reason, the role of people towards machines being the translation between the two, in the first place.
trinque: to say nothing of the actual economics of producing and maintaining such a complex item.
trinque: mircea_popescu: it was a little over one week ago I discussed with you wtf you even want re: ^
trinque: the thing I was doing with deedbot was getting a ticket tracker together so this could actually be managed
trinque: you spat on my notion of consulting business, and now you spit on how fast the thing's coming together
trinque: I'll be back whenever I'm back.
diana_coman: trinque: nobody knew what you were doing and that's the problem as far as I see it, not the timeframe.
BingoBoingo: << I've been trying to avoid argument by analogy and metaphor as part of the post-sadness housecleaning, but I'm not finding a better way to describe my understanding of what an OS is outside of it being the tooling and the organization of that tooling that transforms a warehouse (the computer
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 06:42:27 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
BingoBoingo: hardware) into a workshop.
mircea_popescu: trinque, what's a ticket tracker ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno where all this spitting's happening ; i also dunno why you're so committed to poor quality communication as an ongoing thing, but at this point whatevers. be back when you're back and all that.
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 23 186pzRqFXrYD5XwJ5Fh1K6twLDHSBLa5yh
deedbot: Get your OTP:
mircea_popescu: !!v 69BD32F99C0C859DDAB983CD1DE08766C27D54F8913FE2812167BC05B20AD5CB
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, hanbot the problem with your approach is actionability, i expect.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, leads to identifying "what an OS is" to an "I know it when I see it" situation
mircea_popescu: something like that
BingoBoingo: It's for sure not enough to start designing anything.
mircea_popescu: in other wtf, awk does not have a native date increment ; people do insane shit like awk -F"\",\"" '{cmd="date -d \"$(date -d \""$0"\")+10days\" \"+%Y-%m-%d %T\"";cmd | getline datum; close(cmd); print $0 ",\""datum"\""}' test.csv > test-increment-10days.csv
mircea_popescu: holy fuck wat.
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mircea_popescu: lobbes, arrived here, it's really high time we compared notes. i have that bash thing that takes out the relevant bits in my log format and forms proper lines out of them ; it also chunks up the file by date correctly. now, how do you do the sql etc ? you have all this already so i don't have to re-do it i expect ?
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BingoBoingo: In local news, the night of November 24th, election night... Bus Driver's will be striking
BingoBoingo: Los sindicatos de Coetc y Ucot informaran que realizarían un paro el domingo 24 en el turno nocturno por "motivos de seguridad"
lobbes: << sounds good. I'll be around tonight; available tomorrow ~same time; unavailable most of sat; available all day/night sunday
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: lobbes,
lobbes: mircea_popescu: in any case, tonight I plan to throw together a quick article of my notes
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: << check out the weird spam
lobbes: better than the usual variety at least

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