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mp_en_viaje: man, watching uk labour, literally the oldest anglophone pantsuit bastion, go the way of the dnc...
mp_en_viaje: "does the labour party even have a right to exit ?!" no, it very well fucking doesn't.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: They don't. Labour forgets that they are the local "Regime change in Iraq" party which was a great way to fuck themselves into nothing as a "left" pantsuit party.
mp_en_viaje recalls their triumphalist idiocy during thatcher election...
mp_en_viaje: they have some history as a lolcow really.
mp_en_viaje: v for vendetta (the original, 0-circulation pulp) was actually a by-product of radical labour core attempting ideological supremacy.
mp_en_viaje: as this things ever work, not only completely failed to engage anything, but also became the proverbial broken arm to be fucked in the ass with.
BingoBoingo: Kinda how in every period record outside of their own reality distortion bubble, hippies were exactly materialistic theiving pichis
mp_en_viaje: myeah
BingoBoingo: Allowing them to defect back to society in the late 70s and 80s was a mistake.
mp_en_viaje: except for the part where it's unclear such a thing as society exists, past 90s.
mp_en_viaje: seems about as fake as "industry" or "economy", a putative imagined item, i'm supposed to believe "everything's online" just like i'm supposed to believe 0-value items are "an industry"
mp_en_viaje: or 0-power lulz are "the public oppinion" etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: but somehow i just can't quite manage. what society ? what anything really, compare 1989 mtv with 2019 mtv, what "music" ? what anything ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Well doesn't exists past 90s because they let the hippies shave and pretend submit in the 80's
mp_en_viaje: i mean, the orcs visibly still imagine some kind of similar miami, across various orclands. but this is very flimsy existence indeed.
BingoBoingo: That they do.
mp_en_viaje: hows uy revolution these days ? died down like any football match ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: That little helicopter on tilt and the one tank was enough to calm the kids down.
mp_en_viaje: wouldn't want to like, spill one's blood
mp_en_viaje: or break a nail or something. there's so much more futuro awaiting, it;d be a pity if any of them missed any of it.
BingoBoingo: As Tupamaro leader Mujica says "No hay que ponerse delante de tanque"
mp_en_viaje: principally because the transmission'll prolly break.
mp_en_viaje is watching some game of handball on tv in the background. "who's that one ?" "the blondy with the ponytail ?" "no, the other one" *tap* *tap* *tap* "1.69" "motherfucker".
BingoBoingo: But yes, kids got scared. Didn't even seem to show up last week. They could be quietly wrecking shit somewhere else, or not obsessing over Saturday night-Sunday morning
BingoBoingo: But...
mp_en_viaje: or carefully preserving their very valuable contents. you know, for later.
BingoBoingo: The ones that DID get caught. House arrest and not very much of it.
mp_en_viaje: they have to provide their own house ?!
BingoBoingo: Usually the mulas do that for them.
BingoBoingo: "If you don't have a scolding old crone one will be assigned to you"
mp_en_viaje: heh
BingoBoingo: For the ones under 18, INAU, the infants and adolescents agency literally assignes court ordered old scolds to the kids
mp_en_viaje: in other news, isil is evidently moving to a nuke. taking sahel uranium mines since summer ; the iranians are quite unhappy with the subsidy level so it looks like this is their "we'll do it without doing it" approach, transfer tech to isil.
mp_en_viaje: dirty bombing in, eg, frankfurt, oslo, whatever uppity old woman strongholds quite feasible by 2025 in any case.
BingoBoingo: Interesting developments
mp_en_viaje: but, yeah, the "great victories" in afghanistan, iraq etc have resulted in what looks like a whole-north-africa caliphate in the making.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, borish johnson
BingoBoingo: Well that Arab spring didn't seem to actually knock off any US/EU/NATO enemies. Just Ghaddafi who turned out to have been Europe's best friend this whole time.
BingoBoingo: In one of the few times History and Montevideo intersected
BingoBoingo: Fortaleza de Cerro in the background
BingoBoingo: Biggest difference then to now is... THere
BingoBoingo: 's less occupied structures in the neighborhood under the hill fort
mp_en_viaje: gaddafi was old, and no actual successor available.
BingoBoingo: Still, his sons probably had "Don't let dark africa discover boats can reach Europe" drilled into their heads since infancy
mp_en_viaje: honestly i see no further point to europe. other than the high rents, the whiteboys north of the mediterranean are just as african as the black boys south.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, probably the best thing one could do would be to take all the teenaged precious cuntlets from yurp and send them to niger & friends ; take the african girls in lieu.
mp_en_viaje: nothing quite like a little bit of reality crash, if experience's any guide.
mp_en_viaje: let 'em see how well "believe women" works on the mud floors, work out their "animal rights" aggenda on the goat that ate their last remainign crotchrag and so on.
mp_en_viaje: nothing quite like sleeping nineteen to the room for solving nineteen year old's "social anxiety" / awkwardness.
mp_en_viaje: famine-level poverty's in any case the best known solvent for girly pretense.
mp_en_viaje: from "sex & the city" to "an apple a day's a dream faraway" in pretty much one short generation, huh. what wonders socialism hath wrought!
BingoBoingo: God bless china buying all the New World food stuffs. I suspect Buenos Aires is prepping to do another run of export controls on beef now that their production's sorta recovered a decade later.
BingoBoingo: At the same time China's floating a free-ish trade agreement with Uruguay's next government, yet to be published. I suspect the aim is among other things... to cut out the Miami based re-shippers.
BingoBoingo: And generally reduce the US role as the place things go first before hitting the rest of the Americas.
mp_en_viaje: they're also doing "anti-terrorism" mixed exercises with the serb militsya
mp_en_viaje: transparently a "russkis couldn't protect you ; we will" demonstration, made all the more evident by the eurohag stance on it (ignore, rather than whine. whenever daddy's present the "liberated" cunts magically forget all the bullshit they have at the ready in all other circumstances)
BingoBoingo: Well the chinese seem to be improving the message targeting. To Uruguay "Why deal with the US who exactly competes with your exports when we have so much synergy... Baja la costa de vida"
mp_en_viaje: oh, and they're also buying 1bn worth of canadian gold mining interests.
BingoBoingo: Well, they do like shiny
mp_en_viaje: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-serbia-china-police-idUSKBN1Y21PK << "in an exercise at a Chinese-owned steel mill outside Belgrade."
mp_en_viaje: oh, and in ongoing lulz : https://www.navytimes.com/naval/2019/12/06/with-china-gunning-for-aircraft-carriers-the-us-navy-says-it-must-change-the-way-it-fights/ "
mp_en_viaje: To keep carriers relevant, the U.S. Navy must change how it fights, the new top officer says. (MC1 Toni Burton/U.S. Navy)
mp_en_viaje: WASHINGTON — Just because China might be able to hit U.S. Navy aircraft carriers with long-range anti-ship missiles doesn’t mean carriers are worthless, the service’s top officer said Thursday."
mp_en_viaje: funny shit, they're re-running 2014 tmsr logs, these people.
mp_en_viaje: “Look, people don’t give us enough credit for the gray matter between our ears, and there are some very smart people we have thinking about how we fight better. " and assorted great keks.
BingoBoingo: Lol, I saw the carrier piece's title on another site.
BingoBoingo: Seems like syndicated spamstro-turf
BingoBoingo: But I suppose this is how the USG press agents keep up with the times. They scroll back the logs 5 years and pretend the conversation was their own.
mp_en_viaje: aahahahaha, check it out, half the republicans in the house are openly going to vote agqainst.
mp_en_viaje: dnc tryina make it open vote, because they understadn they'll lose, but at least they want some drama out of it
mp_en_viaje: bwahahahah what a fucking week
mp_en_viaje: basically "we're imploding, the dnc is never getting another seat in the house, let's go out with a bang" kinda backfired as an exit strategy.
BingoBoingo has newsing to do!
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/12/airstrip-one-labour-party-suffers-greatest-collapse-since-1935-unlikely-to-recover/ << Qntra -- Airstrip One: Labour Party Suffers Greatest Collapse Since 1935, Unlikely To Recover
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/12/african-bus-arsonist-who-tried-to-burn-50-italian-children-in-his-care-blames-wops-for-not-letting-more-of-his-people-in/ << Qntra -- African Bus Arsonist Who Tried To Burn 50 Italian Children In His Care Blames Wops For Not Letting More Of His People In
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/12/13/a-walk-among-the-trees-of-v/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Walk among the Trees of V
mp_en_viaje: !Q later tell hanbot https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ei8CbiT4Hhs/VGP0mq3X_YI/AAAAAAAAABc/JhPPjuKEXaM/s1600/elephant.gif
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/?b=the%20history&e=whole#select << isn't that part weird ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: uhm, it is, apparently it's some messed up footnote, lemme see.
diana_coman: I fixed the issue though it's rather weird: for one thing I distinctly rememvber it was *fine* ie all of it in a footnote so not sure what/when broke, ugh; for the other, I had to split it into 2 footnotes - it was *fine* to take 2 <blockquote> spans but not the 3rd? wtf is this.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954934 << I've meanwhile reviewed the article http://trilema.com/2019/the-contemplated-update-to-the-trilema-voice-model/
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:45:58 mp_en_viaje: so specifically trinque is this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour too short a time ? other comments ?
mp_en_viaje: how's it look ?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
trinque: entirely feasible, will respond to the article tomorrow after more thought, and some rest.
trinque: looks right-thing shaped to me.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, it's not an emegency, it's end of december. by spring or whatever will be fine.
mp_en_viaje: eminently not the sort of thing one has to do over xmas.
trinque: nah, I'm going to do my best to uncoil the spring.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955038 << both.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 16:59:12 dorion_road: trinque mind clarifying which you mean though ? the article about trying out Gales and offering critque or on why eating a product of socialists is stupid ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:27:34 trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
trinque: the products of men are shaped by their politics.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955047 << the politics of the "men" who made linux (not the kernel, but the whole turd) are contempt.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 17:01:08 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954831 << perhaps I'm dull, but I'd appreciate it stated plainly in texan straight talk.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:53:10 trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to diana_coman's bunch?
trinque: narrowly, in its time, of microsoft. "whatever, literally anything is better than microshit" and now, of themselves, living in their own shit.
trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
trinque: both must die
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955049 << c'est possible
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 17:02:10 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954839 << I'd say it's worth spelling out once and for all in an article, I'd read and comment. Publishing it would probably be cathartic too.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:56:53 trinque: but gentoo's a piece of shit. if it's not apparent why, I'll definitely have to say why.
trinque: ah, to speak less obliquely! protestantism, of course.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955051 << shall digest.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 17:06:06 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954851 << trinque, the business plan for my venture with jfw.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:13:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954813 << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems to me torvalds came in two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better than nothing, and because being an engineers they didn't know better. they were, so to speak, pre-headfucked by pantsuit agitprop, like cult-r
mp_en_viaje: aised children are pre-molested even before anyone bothers fucking them, they're groomed to respond "well" to moelestation.
mp_en_viaje: and then of course he turned around and took them right "home", like all of these asshats do, "mencius modlbug" was the same thing, Framedragger 's stupid whore same thing, etcetera etcetera.
trinque: that's a better bridge from protestantism to gentooism than I could've built.
trinque: premolested is exactly right.
mp_en_viaje: the switch part was i suppose self-obvious to anyone but me.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because the flow of money through your business determines the shape of your product, which is to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of tools and the job gets easier, til eventually it's more of a product play than consulting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 17:08:41 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954854 << if you're up for it, I'd also like to read about your experience there.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:42 trinque: I've been in that business. It's hard, wish them well.
trinque: if you're taking clients with very different problems all the time, that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
trinque: and when you're bootstrapping, you need that money, so yes, hard.
mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
trinque: yep that's great
mp_en_viaje: but oherwise, yes that's the bane of technical consulting.
mp_en_viaje: his other advantage is that he needs less money than absolutely anybody.
mp_en_viaje: the two major money leaks in traditional start-ups are by very far 1 the pretense pump, wherein tiny new cos end up paying frisco rents because "iotherwise how to atteact employees"
trinque: heh, speaking of the pantsuit labeling everything its opposite, obviously the dorks with laptops are the most capital intensive businesses!
mp_en_viaje: and a distant 2, the cost of payroll.
trinque: this because burn-rate, also labeled its opposite, a positive, because it justifies a higher valuation, somehow.
mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access to capital than any fiat bank arrangements can provide -- the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
trinque: ha, you beat me to it.
mp_en_viaje: he can get away with overheads incomprehensible for any other start-up
mp_en_viaje: yup, there's an entire body length of lacerations and bleeding sites he dun have to deal with here. which is what they call an edge in business.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, you read that article above btw ?
trinque: going back to "what is trinque signaling to dorion_road?" do not take ^ as some kind of invincibility.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
trinque: I've started and sold and etc, yes
mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us to know how you're fucked in the head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
mp_en_viaje: not you lol, i know about you.
trinque: ah
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955059 << database money is me being a hipster instead of saying "accounting"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 18:08:03 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954882 << it's not clear to me what you mean by database money.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25 trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
trinque: take the deedbot wallet. the assets aren't in the thing; it just counts them.
trinque: same with your panamanian guy. he doesn't have the assets in his desk drawer.
trinque: and I'm certain his tech for keeping track of which wire's going to whom, who's getting their dubaloos put in what paper, is primitive.
mp_en_viaje: it's a fucking excel, what. they all are.
trinque: mmmmmhm
trinque: dork I know does this in oil
mp_en_viaje: everyone.does. every leak i ever got was excel. no exceptions.

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