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jfw: !!v 5C14A1306AAE9FFAFA022C333F51410201693496F3C601CABB55D59705518A2C
deedbot: jfw rated jfw_travel 2 << Me, on the road.
diana_coman: !!v 65767CE701462226C3BFB1FA2B5E5F1AD8C7B004D31AE8E0FC9CE20F64BBCA0B
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of alex__c from 1 to -2 << chose to do nothing with all the time in the world.
diana_coman: !!v B48BDF4ACFA97D549A9DF00FCB3C72D25F5EA29B24976CE4317A5F2064C64117
deedbot: diana_coman rated billymg 2 << mp-wp trimming and testing; on the move to CR; writes at http://billymg.com/
diana_coman: !!v 0D55D205FBDA56C46413B06D0B1E39DC4B55842A52B4E1E8B12C505A7D76A0FF
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of dorion_road from 1 to 2 << travel key of my page, dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-19#1951606
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-19 18:54:36 deedbot: dorion rated dorion_road 1 << my key for the road, 201911-202001
diana_coman: !!v BD9DB780CFBB636859EB99F94202AE51AC5098FE63D28FC9D1A58A40B3C5BFF9
deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw_travel 2 << travel key of my page, jfw: http://welshcomputing.com/jfw_travel-cert.asc
diana_coman: !!v 04D6F1EB1CCD6139827C8879D2AEC35D467971FEC08CC3992586DB019A999DE1
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of juliankunkel from 2 to 1 << busy being a CS lecturer at Reading Uni.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Here's the strategy and why it is your best shot at recovering your coin http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7sEi
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/12/democratically-elected-us-president-donald-trump-writes-letter-to-pantsuit-nancy/ << Qntra -- Democratically Elected US President Donald Trump Writes Letter To Pantsuit Nancy
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955315 - besides the present self-funded efforts with dorion, yes, kinda:
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
jfw: my first and longest 'real' job was with an IT consulting shop, started in 2000 amid the dotcom rubble by some IBM mainframe & Linux people; they self-bootstrapped starting from existing relationships and had reached maybe 15 people when I started in 2007. I did mainly internal sysadmin work.
jfw: No fancy office there, many worked from home. 'Excel shop' like all of 'em of course.
jfw: That'd be my template for a more conservative startup I suppose. When I moved to Panama (late 2013) and met dorion, he had recently started an entry-level position at Coinapult, which was running on Wall St. financing. I met some of them, at one point inquired about a job but was declined.
jfw: After their hack / loss and change of ownership, they downsized to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for them in 2016. This was short-lived: I found their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like they were headed for nothing but more trouble, and they didn't listen to me on much of anything. The pretense pump I reckon.
jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955361 - I don't disagree on either point really, but not sure what anyone can realistically say about the current software mess beyond 'eh'. Minimizing or moreover replacing socialistware with sane things is the long term approach, but meanwhile one still needs things to work. I'm curious to see what you're cooking for sure.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:02 trinque: "While I have striven to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting to keep up with the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many third-party components." << This is somewhat concerning, in that you say "eh" about the "many third-party components". I'd instead try for the minimal possible bootable src surface area.
jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
mp_en_viaje: geez sophia is a shithole.
mp_en_viaje: sofia* whatevs.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955537 << no it doesn't, wut, im gonna get pissy at x because he made a sound argument ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:31:00 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.
mp_en_viaje: i only get pissy at nubbins-"arguing"
jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
mp_en_viaje: in other news, tukey internet is kinda iffy. if i blink nobody panic.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << i don't think this view is sound, because it essentially destroys the possibility of a republic. the term literally denotes "things held in common". whether these are women, sacks of grain, ships, itineraries or ideas can be mixed and matched ; but that SOMETHING will be held in common, and thus not "between the people themselves" is the quintessential prerequisite of a republic, and in genera
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:58 trinque: suppose someone's going to kill you for losing their 1000btc with this thing. What then about "not keeping up with the rat race"?
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:28:53 trinque: I skipped it in cuntoo as well, for equally bad reasons.
jfw: them
jfw: though tbh, the reasons also included following the pattern of other distributions.
mp_en_viaje: l human society as such.
mp_en_viaje: meh this is annoying.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955560 << why not ? there's some claims made, some answers to them, proposed terms of settlement justified or not, a settlement reached or not...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10 diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
mp_en_viaje: it's all the heart and soul of the rational process.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955566 << what exactly it means surely could benefit from some clarification. one strong strand in there is the (so far well formalized in history) "i am not interested in what you have to say"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:33:09 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - thing is, even "the negrated" is not an entirely clear thing for me; I could see it as "loss of citizenship hence of rights" at one extreme; it is however just that - one extreme.
mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: it doesn't have to be anything in particular, nor any specific thing. but it must be ~something~.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:56:46 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:51:48 mp_en_viaje: now, more's the point, what the fuck are you planning to do such that you think you should be negrated for it, and why the fuck would you.
mp_en_viaje: practice's been evolving multipliy, eg, people got booted off pizarro if negrated ; we never gave a shit / booted nobody off eulora for same (iirc).
mp_en_viaje: there's at the very least some basis for this, such as a "is user entirely harmless or potentially harmful". user eminently harmful on pizarro, couldn't afford luxury to ignore negrates for instance.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955579 << yes, individual. but if the individual offers ~a service~, then what is the meaning of the individual's negrating ~for the use of the service~.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 20:04:01 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)
mp_en_viaje: ie, i'm not asking you to tell me what you think i should think about mike_c ; i established that for myself, and stated it for your information back in 2018. i am however asking you to tell me what you think my thoughts on mike_c should do to, eg, coin he thinks i owe him.
mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else this provides the most perverse incentive imaginable.
mp_en_viaje: conversely, you also can't ask me to talk to people i don't want to talk to, i'm not a public woman.
mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
mp_en_viaje: consider the other aspect of the matter. what, if anything, can color your notion of someone, besides your own experience ?
mp_en_viaje: "he fucked my 3yo daughter with a barbed metal pole, here are the bloody remains", for instance. you'll ignore ~everything~, "he's always been paying rent on time so i really don't care about the corspes" ?
mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything, then what's the point of talking ? if you'll ignore random things outside of even the possibility to prediction, then again what's the point of talking ? if there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible, then what is it ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955600 << so to what standard does that "kinda" speak ? "had options, never vested, never A-series" ? "had options, did A-series, never vested" ? "had options, did a series, vested, never ipo'd" ? ipo'd too ? be specific.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:06:37 jfw: No fancy office there, many worked from home. 'Excel shop' like all of 'em of course.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955602 << fwiw these little shits were never start-ups in any sense. they're fluffers, padding the downlist of mainline scams (like the b-side of records of yore, exactly, or like the "package" part of package movie deals in the hollywood studio system days)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:18:46 jfw: After their hack / loss and change of ownership, they downsized to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for them in 2016. This was short-lived: I found their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like they were headed for nothing but more trouble, and they didn't listen to me on much of anything. The pretense pump I reckon.
mp_en_viaje: they also serve as "hr lukewarmers", keeping fucktoys / assorted "talent" from starvation / routed and readily accessible.
mp_en_viaje: in the east, the "mobster" has a buncha girlies in tow that are "coo at hair theory, inc". still, you sit down with them to talk business if fucked in the head only.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
mp_en_viaje: ~same concept anyways.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << irl, most coin sits in appaling security contexts and yet "liberations" are indeed rare. it's a problem of roi, most theft is opportunity-driven rather than systematic (mirroring how most people's houses ~could~ be broken in, by your gf. but most people's houses nevertheless aren't broken into -- and especially not by your
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:54:55 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.
mp_en_viaje: gf.)
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other usgistani wins : http://archive.is/twwd2 ==> http://archive.is/vBQfq
jfw: mp_en_viaje: I was hired labor, did not hold securities.
mp_en_viaje: not usually how start-ups work, is it ?
jfw: Perhaps not start-ups in that sense then? or at least I wasn't there at the starting of.
mp_en_viaje: basically anything that's neither a family owned deli nor a blue chip usg subsidiary calls itself start-up these days huh
jfw: Come to think of it, this stricter usage is compatible with what I'd read about what start-ups are, so not sure why I defaulted to the broader/confused notion for "involved with start-ups in any capacity", perhaps because lots call themselves things as you say.
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955643 << I see what you mean now; there will always be a need to suss out a commonality in proper use of various public shit (or else it ends with the same "what republic?")
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:31:05 mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything, then what's the point of talking ? if you'll ignore random things outside of even the possibility to prediction, then again what's the point of talking ? if there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible, then what is it ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955640 << I'm hoping mike_c takes BingoBoingo's offer, as I think that process alone stands to carve some answers
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:49:25 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955537 << no it doesn't, wut, im gonna get pissy at x because he made a sound argument ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 12:44:45 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Here's the strategy and why it is your best shot at recovering your coin http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7sEi
BingoBoingo: Still waiting to see if he takes it.
BingoBoingo: And for the watchers, no... the price did not come out of nowhere.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje ty for weighing in. It makes my pitch stronger
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I do too for obvious reasons. Still more I hope he takes it for the less obvious effects.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955605 << I don't mean to say everything from modern computing is banned.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:44:31 jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
trinque: What is banned is any decision from your graphics stack informing a decision on whether I have the shitwad of deps your graphics stack demands.
trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end a browser or game runs atop
trinque: I don't think there's much daylight between our perspectives on this
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:50:33 jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
trinque: build them a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
trinque: quality of the output depends on how stupid the clients needs are
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << so then your inputs to the process are haxed, and you go diligently dispatch btc to 1HaxFuckYou
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:54:55 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.
trinque: airgap protects the coin so long as nothing interesting ever happens
trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
trinque: but what I do isn't thereby gold
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955617 << it solves only the pretense of being "not to blame" while still being very much to blame
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:04:35 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use
trinque: and it blocks using V to wrangle the mess
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955630 << it depends perhaps on whether one intends there to be recourse from negrating
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:20:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955638 << also very much this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:25:18 mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else this provides the most perverse incentive imaginable.
trinque: it would call all my ratings into question if I could simply snatch the coins of anyone I negrated
trinque: if anyone, I'd want a man unwilling to steal, so help him god, running the money tables
trinque: arguably torching coin in this scenario is preferable to reposessing it.

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