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diana_coman: bvt: why does your vpatch cancel a line from the manifest? To my mind this doesn't quite make sense - if you want to revert to a previous point, that means simply branching the tree from a previous node so using *that* manifest, doesn't it?
diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the manifest file.
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spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958118 <-- and answered
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-16 03:25:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-15#1958115 <-- approved meanwhile, will answer as soon as I get back to the keyboard
bvt: diana_coman: ty for spotting this. i will regring vpatches p.1 and p.2; i wanted to make the vpatch p.1 name the same in manifest and file system, but did the wrong thing there just editing the line from previous vpatch in vpatch p.2.
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dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-05#1957911 - it occurs to me that trb could be a good testing/clarification ground for this because a) it's likely the most scruntinized V-tree to date and b) mod6, jfw, and spyked all have some work to do with trb these next weeks.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-05 22:50:12 mircea_popescu: well, hm. maybe it's time to re-iterate this point, especially seeing how diana_coman 's recent work,
dorion: perhaps mod6 takes the lead to implement the clearsigned scheme on his keccak regrind of the trb tree.
dorion: jfw is expecting to finish the offline side of Gales Bitcoin Wallet this week, so his development plate will be clearing a bit. He has an unpublished patch to trb to simplify the build system on Gales, so checking/working with mod6 and getting his patch published could be his next priority. Among other simplifications
dorion: I'll let him show and tell, his patch removes the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
dorion: spyked is rebuilding trb shortly, so if mod6 leads the way, followed by jfw and spyked that's at least 3 people scrutinizing the clearsigning scheme, tools and likely many of the same patches within the same timeframe.
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mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958144 << this is a terrible idea for a number of reasons.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:25 dorion: perhaps mod6 takes the lead to implement the clearsigned scheme on his keccak regrind of the trb tree.
mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
mircea_popescu: you're burning no less than three major steps here, which is not how things work.
mircea_popescu: another reason is that this throwing darts work allocation method's never been observed to work in practice. the correct way to allocate work, as actually observable in the damned logs you've supposedly read and re-read, actually works on a very hit-and-miss basis in the first place (owing to itemized an' specifically described failures an' assorted head cockroaches of the ~worthless white anglophone young male)
mircea_popescu: while ~everything was built on it (putting it intellectually way ahead of, say, THE ENTIRE COLLECTIVE OF LISP USERS & their collected historical products, or anything else "the civilised" Western world has to offer), nevertheless it really fails more often than it delivers.
mircea_popescu: yet one in three or four or whatever's still way the fuck more than absolute zero, which is what you'll get out of "hey, [name i picked out of the hat], do [thing i picked out of the hat]".
mircea_popescu: there's more, too but anyways, you're supposed to be aware of these things, as part and parcel of what having an internal life of the mind ever means.
mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage to be ? two weeks hence mod6 shows up with a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery that happens to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on a worldview he doesn't share ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck! dude reads the log once a week
mircea_popescu: whenever it's bois freedom afternoon at the household of whatever chick owns his sorry ass, half hour sunday while she's out with her friends or w/e, and then drops random offensive nonsense that doesn't actually go with anything but it's nevertheless the best he could get to in the limited time and with the limited involvement his owner permits.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, such as fo
mircea_popescu: r instance by speciffically calling them for it point blank. for some reason he didn't do that though he self-evidently could have, maybe there's a reason for that other than his being shy, such as perhaps that he doesn't wanna force march it, for which call there might in turn also be reasons and so on."
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958136 << i'd say you got the right idea here, manifest.txt is an add-only buffer, attempts to modify it ~= pirate patch.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 09:37:40 diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the manifest file.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958146 << thanks fucking god for that.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:47 dorion: I'll let him show and tell, his patch removes the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958151 - hm, yeah. it did seem that I was forcing it a bit. I just now brought up the eulora comms protocol and tmsr rsa specs as first examples that came to mind to drive your point home further. I ought to have taken
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:38 mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
dorion: a step back and asked a question.
mircea_popescu: you've got bad habits from the other world.
mircea_popescu: imagine by the way what serious problems the concept of heaven actually poses to people. what do they do there all day ? well, conceivably, IF indeed they do something, if haven's something besides hell under another name (the problem with hell self-evidently ain't "the fire", but THE BOREDOM) they conceivably do something. yet... what ? likely not anything driven or inspired by "the flesh", which leaves... what does it
mircea_popescu: leave ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps the best model to inform this issue'd be the western cowbody brought to boston, or any other such savage-in-london rapturous moments. well... do you suppose heaven has a stiff learning curve ? how to conduct yourself such as all the others there don't throw up ?
dorion: it seems like if it is a great place it ought to have a stiff learning curve.
dorion: a reason I read the logs w/o talking was that very "try and figure out how to conduct myself such that the others don't puke." as I had puked myself reading the various douchebags.

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